Episode Transcript
[00:00:02] Speaker A: Hello, and welcome to the against the Fence podcast. I was sitting down at the end of 2024, started 2025, and I was thinking, how can I change things up a bit so that I can show a bit more kind of personality and have a bit more of a laugh than the kind of format that we've been doing? If you watch the other ones, they're obviously interview styles. I'm still going to do those. We're going to look at doing once a month. But one of the first people to actually join me on this podcast was the man sat right here, Red Wolf. Hello. How we doing?
[00:00:35] Speaker B: What's happening, Breezy? How's it going?
[00:00:37] Speaker A: Yeah, good, thank you. A little surprise.
We are gonna have a crack, basically. Just having a bit of fun, I think. I don't. I'm not going to take this too seriously. I just want to talk about some of the crazy things that are going on at the moment and just see where it takes us. I think that's the easiest way of.
[00:00:57] Speaker B: Putting it right, pretty much. You know, it's. It's a man can. A Southerner just having a chat. So what. What could go wrong? Or what could go right?
[00:01:09] Speaker A: Yeah, if I was Scouse, this wouldn't be happening.
[00:01:12] Speaker B: Well, it would be. It might go a totally different way, you know what I mean?
[00:01:18] Speaker A: It'd be like Roy Keane and Gary Neville and punditry, wouldn't it, like. Or Jamie Carrier. I don't know.
[00:01:23] Speaker B: Pretty much. You know what I mean? Just descend into chaos. This might still descend into chaos, but it'd be fun to watch.
[00:01:30] Speaker A: True. Like, I've got. I've got a structure to this, and I do feel like we're gonna lose ourself for about half an hour, 45 minutes, and then go, oh, wait, where. Where were we? But yeah, who cares about that?
[00:01:43] Speaker B: Rules are there, made to be broken. You know what I mean?
[00:01:46] Speaker A: Exactly, exactly.
I want to start off when I. When we run the initial podcast of us, like, just. Just talking, one of the things that I said on it is, is how I enjoy scrolling through Twitter and. And just seeing some of your tweets and a really interesting one, which was highlighted by one of your followers. I'll get the picture up so you guys can see it because I've forgotten the guy's name. You might be able to give him credit, but he found on Reddit that the. The UFC's Reddit had word for word, stolen in your tweet and picture, right?
[00:02:19] Speaker B: Yeah, pretty much, yeah. Yeah. It even included the. The punctuation mistake that I accidentally left in there, do you know what I mean? So it was literally a copy and paste job, you know what I mean? Like, at least, at least if you're gonna copy my punctuation mistakes, at least give us a little bit of credit for that, you know what I mean?
[00:02:40] Speaker A: Missed out is right. You missed it is out. And they'd also missed it out.
[00:02:44] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. So that, that was like just. You just gave the game away, fellas. You know, I mean, even included the emojis. I think I actually flipped through the Reddit thread when, when it was. It was von Weeden who showed me. It worked with that guy on the MMA Homies podcast. And I was flicking through the. The thread and I'm like, everyone else was commenting like, you've, you've stole it word for word. You've even used the same emojis, do you know what I mean? Even that people were coming and saying, that's Red Wolves, That's Red Wolf, you stealing bastards.
Well, it's like, it must have done. It's done well. It's done well. And I've seen a few other people saying they like interpretation of it, so I'm all for it, you know, I mean, I'm just spreading the love of these six sick people that, that knew exactly who. Who that was just from that one picture.
[00:03:36] Speaker A: You had some, you had some other banger tweets as well, didn't you, over the Christmas period in. Into the new year. I know, I know your replied to Nina Drama did quite well.
[00:03:44] Speaker B: Well, I'm always replying, you know, when she, when she, when she, she was on holiday in Brazil and she was, you know, putting a few pictures up there. So the responses were usually Derek Lewis with his tongue out or Tom Aspinall asking, you know, what would it say? It's.
And, and people seem to agree. So, you know.
[00:04:11] Speaker A: Yeah, we are, we are an odd bunch. Anyway, speaking of the man, Tom Aspinall, one of the big headlines that's coming out at the moment is that Jon Jones is contemplating retirement. Admiss potential fight with Tom Aspital. Obviously, I know you're a massive, massive, massive Tom Aspinall fan. Maybe the biggest. Maybe we'll put it to the test one day. Yeah, I just want to get your opinion. I've seen quite a few duck tweets been thrown around.
[00:04:38] Speaker B: Yeah, I've had a few. I've had a few Jong Jones fans come at me and block me lately because I put this is. This is another saga in the episode in the Ducktale saga. And I didn't. I. I may have made a picture of Jon Jones as a Donald Duck, but it. Just. Because the original story was that he was offered 30 mil. I mean, this was on Joe Rogan not long ago, and he was saying he's been offered 30 mil. He's asking for 30 million, and the UFC are going to pay it. So I thought, you know what? 30 million, give it him. Do you know what I mean? Like, he. He deserves 30 million. It could be his last one.
He, you know, I know I made jokes, but, yeah, he is one of the goats. He's. He's. He's done. He's done more in the sport than many, many other fighters.
And then a day later, it comes out that D has said, yeah, 30 million is. And he's thinking of retiring. I just. I just lost it. I just started laughing. I went, this can't be. No, no. Do you know what I mean? And it goes back to when Tom said about a few months ago, I. I will retire Jon Jones without even fighting him. And it seems to be coming more and more true every day. Do you know what I mean? It's the fight you want to see. Like, everywhere you go, on Twitter or Instagram, wherever, everyone's talking about Jon Jones and Tom Aspinall is a fight to make. If Jon retires without that fight happening, I feel it just leaves a big asterix, you know what I mean, on his legacy.
[00:06:17] Speaker A: Yeah, it does. It does comfort me slightly that even the. What many see as the toughest man on the planet still gets scared. I mean, I get scared when there's a big queue, Mackie's in it, and they barbecue sauce, and I've got to go to the front desk and ask for it. So.
[00:06:32] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:06:33] Speaker A: And no one's paying me 30 million quid to do that.
[00:06:35] Speaker B: No.
[00:06:36] Speaker A: So it's a bit comforted. But Sean, who is not looking at that like, as well, I think a couple of months ago, people were saying about Alex Pereira moving up to heavyweight and having that fight against Jon Jones right now, genuine, genuinely. With everything that's happened and the conversations have happened, I don't think there's any bigger fight in the UFC to make than that one.
[00:06:58] Speaker B: No, no, they can't be. I mean, it's a tight. It's a heavyweight title unification. I think the last time that happened, and I might. I might be wrong on this, but I did look into it. I'm sure it was like Junior dos Santos and came Velasquez, which Was God knows when, you know, about eight years ago, maybe nine years ago.
So it, it doesn't get any bigger. You've got the old school, you've got Jon Jones, right. One of the goats who's been in the game for, for God knows how long. And you've got Tom Aspinall, who people are talking about as being possibly the best heavyweight they've ever seen. Right. I personally believe that.
I know I'm biased, but, you know, is what it is.
So this, this is proving that Tom could be. John. Could be, is the goal. I mean, if he wins, he's just beat the next best thing that's coming up. He's gone through generations and he's proved that he, he can beat anyone. If he loses, I still don't think there's any shame in him losing. You know, you're passing the talk. Jump.
[00:07:58] Speaker A: Yeah. But doesn't want to do that, clearly. No, he doesn't want people to make, he doesn't want Tom to make a name off of him, which I do, I do get, because he's been doing this a while. He's been doing this a while, but I think Tom's made a name off of him saying, no, yeah, yeah.
[00:08:16] Speaker B: I mean, if that's the case, you know, Dominic Reyes made a name off Jon Jones, Anthony Smithson and Gustafson, you know what I mean? And, and, and, you know, all these other fighters that he fought before he moved to heavyweight and stuff like that, you know, I mean, it, I mean, if Shogun, if Shogun had refused to fight Jon Jones because he hasn't proved himself, we'd be looking at some, a completely different timeline. John will probably still be a champion eventually, but Shogun gave him a shot when he was younger.
[00:08:49] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:08:49] Speaker B: And then look at what happened there. Do you know what I mean? It's just like, you know, I mean, Alex Volkanovski didn't get to take the Toporia fight straight after Makhachev. You know, he could have waited it out. It's things like that where you kind of go, yeah, I see what you're.
[00:09:04] Speaker A: Saying, but do you not think there's, there's an element to. Jon Jones is potentially a little bit older and wiser at that time because Volk was in the thick of it at the time and he.
[00:09:20] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[00:09:21] Speaker A: He is someone that I think struggles not fighting.
[00:09:25] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I, I, I managed to speak to folk in Manchester. Main thing he was saying was I've got itchy knuckles. Like, I really, I really Want another fight. You know what I mean? And he's still kind of waiting for that opportunity now.
But, yeah, I get what you're saying.
But we like Tommy with Tom and John. Tom has been pretty much training for John since he came in to the ufc, you know, I mean, he's always had his sights on him.
[00:09:54] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:09:55] Speaker B: And I think. I do think John.
John's clever with what he does. He is clever. He's a bit of an evil genius. Do you know what I mean? Like, and he knows what he's doing. And when he was like, yeah, Tom's an. I'm not gonna fight him. This on the other. Everyone said it's all negotiation tactics. And it's like, I can see where you're coming from, but at the same time, it's also coming across as he's. He's scared to lose. Do you know what I mean? Which I think anybody is when you go into a. Into a fight, you know, that's part of the risk.
[00:10:30] Speaker A: Yeah. And also, if we look at the timeline as well, so Nganu for Steep. Fort Steepe and absolutely starched the bloke. They then had a bit of a, you know, hoo, ha, whatever, sir. Gone. Fight happened. I think then he left. I think it was that. I think that was it. And then all of a sudden, John Jones comes back.
[00:10:48] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:10:49] Speaker A: Yeah. He fights Cyril G. Who.
He probably knew him. Realistically especially. I think everyone knew the fight was going to go that way. I don't think everyone knew it was going to be that quick. But I think. I mean, Cyril. God had no answers whatsoever either.
[00:11:06] Speaker B: No.
[00:11:07] Speaker A: He. Then he's out for a year because he's injured himself. His next fight, which everyone's up, like, saying it shouldn't happen, is Stipe Miotic, who should have retired after the Inanu fight. For honest, he hadn't fought for, like, three, three, four years.
[00:11:20] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:11:21] Speaker A: And unfortunately for Jon Jones, at the same time as all of this is panning out, there's a young kid from Manchester who's coming in and absolutely starching everyone, finishing absolutely everyone in the first round, and has continued to do so. Yeah.
So there was a bit of a gray horse in his calculation, I think.
[00:11:42] Speaker B: And. And.
[00:11:42] Speaker A: And now it's here.
[00:11:46] Speaker B: He's backed into it. Yeah. He's basically all right. So, I mean, like, the CPE fight, I. I felt like it was. It was like two or three years too late. Yeah, it was. I would love to have seen that fight three years ago. Do you know what I mean?
[00:11:58] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
[00:11:59] Speaker B: Yeah. You know, and yeah, it was a good fight. Watched it. John looked great. You know, Stipe even looked good for his age in the fight and caught John a few times. He was, he was a lot slower than he was, than he used to be, which.
[00:12:13] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:12:14] Speaker B: He was 42 years old. You know what I mean? He knew it was his last fight and this and the other. But so a lot of people kind of look at that and say, yeah, John looked great. But no disrespect to Stipe. You fought a 42 year old out of his crime. Stipe, not. Yeah, heavyweight goat. Stipe.
So I think like you say, you look at that and then you look at the speed of Aspin, or you look at the technique of Aspen, or you look at the well roundedness of the striking, the ground game and everything. And John, it's no wonder John was asking for 30 million. I can understand it, you know what I mean? Like if I, if I'm, if I'm undefeated and I'm classed as the goal and I. Looking at this kid thinking I might lose this. Yeah. So you're right. I'm asking for big books. Do you know what I mean? Why Dana isn't. And I, I would have been, I would have been happy with that. Yeah. Pay. Paying 30 mil. And the good thing is that Dana shouldn't care about too much about that because, because John would fight him for, for less than half, you know, quarter of that. Do you know what I mean? He just wants to fight John. Yeah.
So I don't know what's going on there. I don't. I, I even thought, is that another tactic? Is that another, you know, John's. Yeah, it's got to be on it. It's got to be because, because if.
[00:13:32] Speaker A: You looked at gsp, he was out and then came to fight Bispin and then it was immediately was like, right, that's it. I'm done again.
[00:13:39] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:13:40] Speaker A: And if, if he was, if he was gonna do that, I feel like he would have just done that with Stipe.
[00:13:46] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, because a lot of people were kind of debating that are they both going to retire in the octagon and this and the other. And then he gave that post fight speech. He didn't mention Tom. Tom's in the crowd there. Like what? He just, he just, he just blanked me. Right. So he said, you know what? I'm not going to retire. I'm going to give what the fans what they want. Well, the fans want you versus Tom. Do you know What I mean? And it's like, yeah, it's. Well, that's what we want, you know, that's what it's got to be. And even Dana said at the post fight, you know, his next fight is Tom Aspel. It's going to be the biggest heavyweight fight ever. So I think, I think Dana, if he's got some balls on him, he'll say to John, you're fighting Tom while you're retiring and relinquishing the belt. Do you know what I mean?
[00:14:31] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:14:34] Speaker B: Which I hope doesn't happen. I hope we do see Tom and John just so we can finally put the. The debates arrest type of thing. Do you know what I mean? And I've got a load of Jon Jones haters I really want.
[00:14:48] Speaker A: Yeah, we can say at the end of the day, if he doesn't take the fight, he knew he was going to lose and that's why he didn't take the fight.
[00:14:54] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[00:14:55] Speaker A: And that's the end of it, right?
[00:14:56] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:14:57] Speaker A: And then he can fight and he beats him. Fair flipping play.
[00:15:03] Speaker B: Exactly, mate. Exactly. Every. Every guy that's, like, called me a. You know, all these, all these names for being a Tom, you know, whatever it's called, like, I'll shake the round. I'll say, you know what? Yeah, yeah, yeah. John. John was beating fair and square, but we're never going to know. I always say that to people. Oh, well, you know, John will beat his ass. It's like, then prove it. See it? You know what I mean?
[00:15:27] Speaker A: And even if, Even if John does beat him and then retires, and surely Tom fights for the. For the belt.
[00:15:32] Speaker B: Yeah. Again, either way, either way, say John beats Tom, then he retires, then Tom's still gonna fight Cyril Gang or Volkov for the, for the, like the undisputed, you know, I mean, because it's vacant then. So something's gonna be. By the end of 2025, Tommy's gonna be undisputed champion. There's no two ways about it. You know what I mean? It doesn't matter which way it happens. It's happening.
[00:15:54] Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaking of, Speaking of returns and Jon Jones and obviously all that stuff, I was listening to Talk Spot. They've got a new kind of talk show, MMA show. It's out on YouTube at the minute. Blake Harrison, as we all know as Neil from the In Betweeners. Um. A wobble. Bob. Bob. That guy.
[00:16:14] Speaker B: Yeah.
How much Lego can you shove up here?
[00:16:19] Speaker A: Yes.
So he.
For people that don't know he's got his Own. He's got his own fan show that he does with a guy called Stu Wiffen who owns a nightclub and stuff. And they were talking, they did like an end of year fans questions and they were talking that they went to one of the UFC London events and all Blake got like, literally the whole time he was there was pissed up grown men asking him how much Lego he could shove up his bum.
[00:16:51] Speaker B: And so the Americans watching, like, they're going to be listening to this, going, what the. You know what I mean? Like, but, you know, the In Between Us is like, it's a cultural phenomenal, like, show back, back in the day. Do you know what I mean? Like, every, every can quote it word for word. It was just like, yeah, it is, yeah. One of the, one of the best TV shows ever. Yeah. And they did make an American version from what I've heard. And it isn't a pact on the UK version. You know, I mean, it doesn't work. It's that UK humor.
[00:17:21] Speaker A: Yeah, the, the in between is one of them things that I can just always go back to no matter what.
[00:17:26] Speaker B: Yeah, 100. 100. I mean, I was surprised like, say a few years ago, like, I'm thinking, yo, what, what the. Neil from the in between has got a, got an MMA podcast. No way. When did that happen? Do you know what I mean? So, yeah, it's pretty cool actually.
[00:17:42] Speaker A: But he was saying on this, he was saying on this episode, they were, they were debating about Conor McGregor coming back. And I think one of the guys said he should fight. I think off the top of was Stephen, Stephen one by Thompson and Colby Covington one of those two. And Blake made a point saying that he thinks the only person that he could come back and potentially beat in the division would be Paddy Pimlet.
[00:18:07] Speaker B: O, that's, that's an interesting matchup.
But look, Cody, because, because Paddy's ground game is, as far as I'm concerned, elite. Do you know what I mean?
[00:18:24] Speaker A: Like, incredibly good.
[00:18:25] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. You know, like, I don't think people realize just how good he is. You know what I mean? Like, there's even videos choking out and submitting like 10 Marines in a row. Like Patty's one of them that people write off because, you know, he's a loud mouth Scouser and this and the other, and it's like, but he's, he's, he's, he's bloody good. Do you know what I mean?
[00:18:46] Speaker A: I don't, I don't know who to compare it to, but he's Come into the UFC with this whole kind of, I'm gonna stand up and fight. But actually, people, because of that, people are seriously underestimating his, his jiu jitsu. And that's where he catches them.
[00:19:00] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, it's like kind of like Oliveira, do you know what I mean? Like, yeah, he's good with the hands, and he's got a lot better with the striking over the years, but, you know, as soon as you go to the ground with, with Oliveira, it's, it's over. Do you know what I mean?
[00:19:16] Speaker A: Like, I think, I think Oliveira is slightly the other way around where he's, he boasts his grappling, but actually stand up's really good.
[00:19:23] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Good point, good point.
I mean, I remember watching Paddy versus Bobby, like, like about 10ft away from, from the, the cage, and from my angle, everyone kind of thought, why did Bobby shoot? And I'm looking, I'm going, bobby didn't shoot. Like, Paddy kicked the leg out.
[00:19:42] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:19:43] Speaker B: And he kind of, kind of. It's instinct in it. You, you try and grab onto something as you fall in. As soon as Paddy wrapped him up, I was saying to the people, I said, it's done. I said, he's done. He's gone. Oh, no, no, he's out. I said, he's out. He just doesn't realize it yet. Do you know what I mean?
But Paddy versus Connor, I mean that. I have actually, before now heard a few people talking about that and wondering, is that like, how would that happen type of thing and how would it lead up to it? It'd be a great UK vs Ireland matchup for sure.
[00:20:18] Speaker A: But yeah, the, the, the, the Embedded series would be brilliant watching them have subtitles.
[00:20:27] Speaker B: You know, where would be all set, though? Because I, I'd rather they hosted that in like, say, like Dublin or, or Liverpool.
[00:20:35] Speaker A: But it would have to be Dublin, right?
[00:20:38] Speaker B: You think? So if you can't, if it's Congress return, it has to be Dublin, you know, I mean, Ian Gary on the coal main, something Abannon on there, but yeah, that's one of them fantasy matchups in it where people have been talking about it.
I think there is a way, I think there is a way of that happening.
Yeah. I, I, I, I don't and can't say too much, but I think there.
[00:21:05] Speaker A: Is a way that, so, yeah, we say, we say, yeah, we say, say Paddy fights at UFC London in March.
He could fight again later in the year and maybe, maybe.
[00:21:20] Speaker B: Maybe it's, you know, I mean, it's like. I mean, it's like the thing with Conor at the minute is all what we're hearing at the minute is, is he's boxing log India and then he's not boxing Logan Paul, he's boxing KSI. And then Tommy Fury is calling him out, and then Darren s getting involved and calling Somius House.
You know, so at the minute we're wondering, is Connor. Is Connor boxing in India or is he, is he coming back to the ufc or is he doing boxing and then coming back? It's just at the minute, we've no idea what's happening with Conor, which is usual, which is like, which is where we are every year. You know what I mean? Yeah.
[00:22:00] Speaker A: Because we thought he was coming back to fight Michael Chandler. He just done the, the Tough series.
[00:22:04] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:22:05] Speaker A: The next thing you know, he's in a film with Jake Gyllenhaal.
[00:22:08] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, and then they book it, and then it gets canceled, like, two, three weeks. Piera comes and saves a card, and then you've got Chandler fighting Oliveira again, and Chandler's still asking for McGregor, and it's like, I, I, I, I'm telling you that that guy's going to be 80 years old. Calling him out for the, you know, the, he's the most entertaining geriatric in the nursing home. You know, See you at the top of the stairlift. You know, so, I mean, I've always been interested in that fight, and I still kind of do want, I kind of do want to see it, I must admit.
[00:22:45] Speaker A: Yeah. I do.
The buildup of Tough was good.
[00:22:50] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:22:51] Speaker A: I think they both got into other, each other's heads. I think Chandler, Chandler's game for anyone at any time, to be fair to him, it's just a shame that he's, he's hooked himself on, on this Connor thing.
[00:23:05] Speaker B: Yeah. Like, he's, he's dead set on I'm fighting Conor McGregor. Do you know what I mean? I don't. He's trying to manifest it into, into existence, which is fair enough, you know, but, yeah, there's, Yeah, I think they might be, there might be other things at play. But at the minute, we need to know, we need to know what's going on with, with Connor because I, I was surprised if anyone's heard about the Logan Paul thing. And it's like, that's, that's interesting, you.
[00:23:32] Speaker A: Know, but, but, but Logan Paul's now both now come out and said he's focusing on the WWE stuff, isn't It. Yeah, so that's not gonna happen.
[00:23:40] Speaker B: Yeah. And then. And then the other games that are coming out is. Is KSI, you know, and there's a bit of a build.
It's mad in it, you know what I mean?
[00:23:55] Speaker A: Might kill him.
[00:23:57] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, I don't think KSI is. Is that tall and, you know, he's not that much of a good. But maybe that's. Maybe that's what people want to see. Maybe people want to see KSA getting bad for that Thick of It song, if you can call it a song. Yeah. I mean, but.
But then. Yet. But then even Tommy Fury's come out now and threw his hat in the.
[00:24:18] Speaker A: Ring and it's like the call out was. Though the call out was shocking.
[00:24:24] Speaker B: It was.
[00:24:25] Speaker A: It was very cringey.
[00:24:27] Speaker B: And then you got Darren still coming out and, you know, having a puppet Sommy, for backing out of his. His box, which was hilarious, by the way. Hilarious. You know, I mean, I'm gonna. I'm gonna kick you in the head.
I don't want to do it anymore. Like. No, come on now. Like, what's that?
[00:24:46] Speaker A: Yeah, I saw the Ariel Hawani show with Darren Till and Anthony Taylor, and that was quite fun.
[00:24:53] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Anything Darren Soul's involved in is hilarious. Do you know what I mean?
[00:25:00] Speaker A: He was like, you fought nobody.
You fought no one.
[00:25:07] Speaker B: I. I love it. I. I love Darren Silk, you know what I mean? Like, I think he's hilarious. I think he's great.
I mean, that's happening in Manchester, that fight that's happening at the co op where 304 was.
So, I mean, I was considering. Could I get there and could I. You know, But I might. I might just watch that one on the. On the telly. You know what I mean?
[00:25:28] Speaker A: I'm sure Angus Jenkins, our editor, will be there, so.
[00:25:32] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, well, they'll have to give us the. The lowdown on that one. The funny thing I found out about that, which I found hilarious when they put the full card up, was. Was. Was Bevo was on it and. And, you know. Right, yeah.
[00:25:48] Speaker A: Potatoes, Whole guy.
[00:25:49] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. The Americans aren't gonna know who Bevo is, but put it this way, there's a guy that somehow got famous for. For swallowing his dinner whole like, yeah, this is. This is. This is the world we're living in now. And he also is with a porn star and lets her, like, do things with other men. So that's the other. It's. It's wild.
[00:26:14] Speaker A: He's not on the far. He's not on the card anymore though.
[00:26:16] Speaker B: No, no, he's pulled out. It's pulled out.
[00:26:18] Speaker A: He had a seizure or something and then broke his. Whilst he was fitting or something.
[00:26:23] Speaker B: I, I don't believe that. He's choked on a potato.
He's broke his wrist doing something else. Do you know what I'm saying? That that's, I'm not believing that story. But yeah, I'd fight people. I'd fight Bevo just for, just for the fun of it, you know what I mean?
[00:26:40] Speaker A: To be fair, he's fallen off so much, I reckon you'd actually be able to shot for fighting Bevo.
[00:26:45] Speaker B: I know, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm throwing my hat in the mix there. If Angus can get me on Misfits to fight Bevo, I'm on that. You know what I mean?
[00:26:53] Speaker A: I, I would, I'll be there then. I'd be there then. Any other reason I wouldn't be there, but I'll definitely be there.
[00:27:02] Speaker B: Trust me. There's a few other people that I, I'll eventually call out for a fight if they ever come out of the moment, but that's another story.
But yeah, it's, it's mad what's going on in the, in the old boxing world and at the minute.
[00:27:21] Speaker A: Yes, speaking, speaking about the Paul brothers and bringing it back to mma. Obviously Jake Paul, his brother is, is announced is anticipating an MMA fight. His debut in an MMA this year in the pfl.
[00:27:35] Speaker B: That's interesting. I mean, he's been saying that.
[00:27:38] Speaker A: It makes sense to me now why they've cut the. Cut the winnings from a million pound to 500k because got to pay that break.
[00:27:43] Speaker B: But yeah, it's like, yeah, boys.
So we've just got Jake Paul, we can't afford you anymore. Do you know what I mean?
Who's he gonna fight? That's what I want. Can we, can we throw him in there within ghanu.
[00:27:58] Speaker A: No, no, no. I know exactly who I want him to fight.
[00:28:01] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:28:02] Speaker A: Because last year the guy put on one of the most entertaining fights across all of the promotions.
[00:28:10] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:28:10] Speaker A: Currently in the PFL is just one. I think it was some sort of amateur or. Or newcomer competition and won himself 100 grand and I think in murder him. I would love to see him fight with Lewis McGrillan.
[00:28:23] Speaker B: Oh.
Oh, that would. What weight is he?
[00:28:29] Speaker A: I'm not, I'm not entirely sure. Lewis McGrillin is pretty small in size. Let me have a look quickly and I'll concern.
[00:28:34] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, I mean that's A good. I mean there was always the talk about Nate Diaz doing mma. Wasn't there with Jake Paul, But I, I can't, I can't see Nate sign at the pfl. Maybe, I don't know, maybe, maybe then the, the winners will go down to250,000 then if they sign eight years, you.
[00:28:54] Speaker A: Know, I mean he is a bantam weight.
[00:28:58] Speaker B: I see Jake's, Jake's massive. Do you know what I mean?
[00:29:02] Speaker A: To be fair to him, he's, he's a big boy.
[00:29:04] Speaker B: He is. He. I'm not saying he's using anything to help that, but.
[00:29:09] Speaker A: Oh yeah, he is.
[00:29:10] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah.
Who? Brent? See, that would be a good one. I'd like, you know, I'd love that. So he's a featherweight though, isn't it? I mean, but I don't think he struggles to get to lightweight or welterweight, you know what I mean?
[00:29:24] Speaker A: The thing is though, I think either of them could fight at a catch weight and they'd still be.
[00:29:28] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 100. Like, I don't think, I don't think Jay Paul has a cat in El's chance of winning an MMA fight. Like, it's just, it's just not happening. Boxing. Yeah, I mean, all right, he's, he's not for a great competition, you know what I mean? And he has lost to Tommy Fiore.
But MMA is a totally different game. Why do you think boxers don't come to mma? Do you know what I mean? It's, yeah, it's multiple disciplines. I mean, we saw it with James told me back in the day, Randy Couture, didn't we, he was took down and arm triangled within like a couple of minutes. Do you know what I mean? So, yeah, Jake, I think the only people, the only reason that's going to happen is people are going to watch Jake Paul get absolutely murked for for however long the guy wants to keep it going for. Do you know what I mean?
[00:30:18] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, I think, I think Jake Paul is my human equivalent of a sock you can't find. He's, he's annoying and everywhere you look, he shouldn't be there. He should be there, but he's not there.
[00:30:28] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[00:30:29] Speaker A: The fact that people, especially after the whole facade of fighting Mike Tyson, that shouldn't have happened, I really don't think that should happen. And to make it even worse, I'm. I'm fairly sure from watching a few clips that Mike Tyson held back, you know?
[00:30:45] Speaker B: Right. I, I would, I would rather believe that because like Growing up, Mike Tyson was my, and still is, like, my favorite boxer of all time. Do you know what I mean? Like, I know I'm from that era, I'm from the 90s era and this and the other, but I hope he was holding back because that, that I, I'd like to think Mike could have absolutely took his head off if he wanted to, but he held it back.
[00:31:09] Speaker A: You know, I mean, I genuinely think, I mean, the guy like two, three months before that had to be rushed off of a plane because he had an emergency health scare.
[00:31:16] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:31:17] Speaker A: And he's, and he still done it.
[00:31:19] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, 100%. I mean, that, you know, was, he was 58 long at the time as well. It's like he even looked 58. I mean, that was the thing. He looked good. You could tell he was, he was 58 and there was that thing where he was. I noticed that because I did watch it, you know, I ate myself for it, but I did.
And he was biting the thumb. I know it was on Netflix. It was free. Right.
There was nothing else on at that time. So, yeah, I, I, I, I'm a sadist. You know what I mean? He, he like, bit his, he was biting his glove, you know, his thumb. And I've never seen Mike do that in any of his other fights. You know what I mean? And I thought that is a bit, bit weird that, but this, the rumor or the theory is that he was, he wanted to let himself go and he was, he was stopping himself type of thing. Do you know what I mean?
[00:32:10] Speaker A: There is, I can't remember who it was, but there was a technique that was from someone in like the 60s or 70s that for your guard and to maintain your guard when it's your. Yeah, yeah, you would bite the thumb. So you know that it's always covering your, that area of your face.
[00:32:24] Speaker B: Yeah, well, he was, he was, he was genuinely munching on the funk. Do you know what I mean? He wasn't just like guarding, he was, he was chomping like it was Holyfield's ear. Do you know what I mean? Like, he was having flashbacks of chewing on earlobes and whatnot. So, yeah, I mean, there was, there was him in the corner as well, and there was like, you could see there was somewhat. Not quite. I mean, fair enough. If Mike's done that to get a couple of million, fair enough. I mean, Mike Tyson's come out a few times and said, legacy doesn't mean anything to him. Do you know what I mean?
[00:32:58] Speaker A: But for me, he's always chat with Jon Jones.
[00:33:02] Speaker B: Exactly. Do you know what?
[00:33:04] Speaker A: I think that's what we want.
[00:33:07] Speaker B: Exactly, man. Do you know what I mean?
But yeah, Jake Paul Pfl. You know, let's see it. You know, I will. I'm gonna guess that's gonna be in Saudi. You know, I can see.
[00:33:17] Speaker A: Oh, who else is gonna pay that money?
[00:33:20] Speaker B: Exactly. You know, I mean, Turkey's gonna be involved in that somehow.
And yeah, I think they'll probably have some superstars on the card. Ganu Cyborg, you know, I'd like to see Brandon on there, but yeah, it's an interesting one. It's an interesting one.
[00:33:41] Speaker A: Moving on from that as well. Coming into the news this week, they started announcing some more fights. Dom Cruise is to come out and fight and he's also said that this is going to be his last fight as well.
[00:33:57] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, we've been waiting for Don Cr.
You know what I mean? Like, I don't know if you guys ever seen on Twitter there was this, there was this guy, Kenny Crow and he was literally posting every day for a thick. I probably got the number wrong. 262 days of they want Don Cruz fight news, like, and it was just, it become like this big thing. Everyone was like, you got to do it, mate, you got to do it. And he was like, I'm going to stop doing it. Go keep doing it. And, and bless him. Right. On his birthday, Don Cruz messages or comments on his birthday post and says, fight news. I'm fighting Rob Fun and I'm going to send you. I was like, you know what? That was so wholesome. That was the nicest thing I've seen on Twitter for a long time. You know what I mean? Yeah.
So that, that was pretty clear.
[00:34:49] Speaker A: That's a commitment though, isn't it?
[00:34:51] Speaker B: Yeah. 206. I mean, I don't even think that's the right number, but I know it's over 200 days, do you know? So fair play to him, fair play to Kenny Crow for that. I'm gonna start doing it with Tom Aspinall and Jon Jones, you know what I mean? Day one of John Jones, you know, sign the contract, big boy.
But you know, as well, I'm glad to see Don Cruise back. I'm surprised it's Rob Funk.
I'm really old school and I've still been waiting for the Jose Aldo fight for, for many, many years, you know what I mean? I've accepted it isn't going to happen anymore.
[00:35:30] Speaker A: I know, I know, I know Jose Aldo Just lost to Mario Batista. Yeah, well, I said just. It feels like a while ago now, but a lot of people thought he won that fight.
And I do think after seeing how Jose's come back.
Did I say Jon Jones? Just that I feel like I said Jon Jones. I don't know why. It's just logged in my head.
[00:35:54] Speaker B: John's on the mind.
[00:35:55] Speaker A: Yeah, just, just give him the money.
But I genuinely think Jose Aldo would, would do some serious damage to Dom Cruise. I'd like, and I, I'm, I like Dom Cruise. I'm a big fan of Dom. I do, I do think the career's gone on for a little bit too long, seeing as he was sitting on the sideline and watching after fights while still being ranked like that. What I think, I think a lot of people of the same mind of like, come on, you're holding it up a little bit for some of these younger guys and, and, and you would be a great fight for them and a great opportunity for them. Yeah, so I was, yeah, but, but 260 odd days without having a fight.
I think I'll be slightly embarrassed someone was doing that.
[00:36:50] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, like, I mean like I say I'm glad it's coming because like you say Don Cruz back in the day, like, I remember him in the WEC days and as far as I'm concerned, like, he is the bantamweight goal. I, I feel he is the bang and white goal.
[00:37:06] Speaker A: He was revolutionary.
[00:37:08] Speaker B: Yeah. 100. His movement was like, it was like watching something you'd never seen before. It was like watching like, you know, Muhammad Ali in his prime. Do you know what I mean? Like, how is he, how is he moving like that? Like, what's he doing? You know? And I mean, I mean, I know we had like, I mean, I'm a big fan of Cody Gardbrand and we saw Cody Garbrandt just, absolutely just play with him. Do you know what I mean? And that was kind of like the traditional, you know, after that, like Cruz wasn't, didn't seem to be the same after that. But yeah, he was, he was, he was a pioneer in that crazy footwork type thing. And even in the fights that he's lost recently, you know, like Cheeto Vera and you know, he was, he still looked good until he got caught. Do you know what I mean? It was one of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I don't. How old is, how old is Don Cruz now? He must be late 30s.
[00:37:57] Speaker A: So. Yeah, late 30s. Early. Might be early 40s or approaching very close to 40.
He is also as well. I met don Cruise at UFC 284 and he genuinely. He's 39, so, yeah, almost 40.
Oh, and his birthday is the 9th of March, so very, very close to 40.
[00:38:20] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:38:22] Speaker A: Genuinely. A lot of people from my experiences of being at these events that aren't directly related to. To fighting will try and avoid you and can be difficult to talk to. Dom Cruz was. Was more than happy to stop and take a picture with me.
[00:38:38] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:38:39] Speaker A: Happy to take the time to sign my UFC shirt.
So. So what I say genuinely is ingest and I, I'm. I'm a big fan because some of them can be very difficult to. To engage with. So, yeah, big props to Dom. Yeah, I really hope that he makes the most of this. I think he could win it. I think it's a tough fight. It's definitely a tough fight. Yeah.
But. But Rob is one of those people that is like, I don't think he's quite good enough to go that much higher than he currently is.
[00:39:09] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, I think, yeah, I get what you mean because it means Rob Front's skilled and he's been in a few walls and that, but, you know, I don't want to call him a gatekeeper, but he's someone that people will be to. To try and. Or fight to try and move into the higher.
You know what I mean?
[00:39:28] Speaker A: I think gatekeeper sums him up perfectly, unfortunately.
[00:39:33] Speaker B: You've said it then. I've not said it, but pretty much, yeah. Do you know what I mean?
[00:39:37] Speaker A: And as I say, it's passing the baton, but not from the champions, but from the gatekeepers.
[00:39:44] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, pretty much. You know, I mean, I mean, like I say, I was surprised to see. I was happy to see Don Cruise fight news. I didn't realize that rhymes, actually. That's pretty.
[00:39:54] Speaker A: It's pretty good fight news.
[00:39:56] Speaker B: Yeah. But was surprised to see it was. It was Rob fun. You know, like, I feel like they might have been. I know he was calling for the Henry rematch and that's what's so funny. I think he recently said that Hunter. Hunter Campbell or Mick Maynard put him on the same card as Henry Cedo and. And Thong. And it's like, it is quite funny because apparently Cruz was asking for Henry Cejudo and Cejudo said no.
So it's funny that they've made those main and co. Main.
But yeah, I think it'd be nice, you know, if he wins that and sails off, it'll be good, you know, I Think.
[00:40:39] Speaker A: I think the song you're dong fight with with Henry Cejudo is. Is a dangerous fight for Henry.
[00:40:45] Speaker B: Yeah, 100. I. I like. I'm gonna be careful. I was saying this because it sounds wrong, but I like you, Don.
[00:40:53] Speaker A: He loves you too, baby.
[00:41:01] Speaker B: I think he is. He is dangerous. He's a great fighter. And Cejudo, I think if he loses this, I think he might retire again. Do you know what I mean? Because this is like the second or third time Cejudo's come back now and it's like this.
[00:41:19] Speaker A: At this point, I think Henry's got Parkinson's. It just keeps on forgetting he's retired.
[00:41:22] Speaker B: I think so too. Do you know what I mean?
All that cringey he's been doing, he's gonna. He's gonna think he's.
Have you gone again? Don't get that.
It just went a bit weird.
I think he's gonna think he's fighting like Delasha or something again. Do you know what I mean? He's just. He's forgetting that he retired a couple years back, but yeah, that. That's a good fight. I mean, that. That's UFC Seattle, isn't it?
[00:41:54] Speaker A: Yes, I think so. From the top of my head. I think so.
[00:41:57] Speaker B: I think it's Seattle, which is the same card as friend of the channel Modestus is fighting on.
[00:42:04] Speaker A: Yes. On the. Is it the 15th? No, it's not the 15th. Is. It's the 11th? Is it the 11th of Feb? Something like that. I can't remember now.
[00:42:11] Speaker B: I feel like what it is. I feel like it's the 22nd, but I might be. I might be.
[00:42:16] Speaker A: God. Oh, God.
[00:42:18] Speaker B: I'm gone.
UFC Seattle.
It's. It's February 22nd. You're well off.
[00:42:26] Speaker A: Jesus Christ.
I need a new job.
And. And to top it all off, I absolutely flew. We did our end of year quiz that highs that psy hosts and I won it.
Biggest float going.
[00:42:45] Speaker B: You've. You've used up all your knowledge, though. That's what it is. It's. You know, you've used it all up now with that.
[00:42:51] Speaker A: Yeah. Thank you.
Can you still hear me okay through the mic?
[00:43:00] Speaker B: Yeah, I can hear you.
[00:43:02] Speaker A: It's not changed.
[00:43:03] Speaker B: No.
[00:43:04] Speaker A: Okay. It just told me there's a new recording. But anyway, we'll skip over that Don Cruise. Yeah. And send me Henry to hula, I think. Yeah. I mean, it's.
It's gonna be fairly bittersweet, to be fair. I'm quite happy. I'm. I. That Henry was coming back when he was coming back, he was giving all this chat and yeah, he's up to it at all.
[00:43:25] Speaker B: No, no, I mean it was, there was Marab which absolutely just schooled him and threw him about.
Yeah, see now it's my turn to forget who was, who was the Hudo's last fight. It wasn't, it wasn't my wrap, was it?
[00:43:42] Speaker A: I will tell you. Two seconds, I'll get them all up.
Did he fight Alger? I feel like he fought Algeria at some point.
[00:43:49] Speaker B: He did fight Aljo. That was before.
[00:43:52] Speaker A: Yes, on the February, February 18 before Murab and on May 7, the year before Aljo.
[00:44:00] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. So Murab was his last fight. Yeah, but yeah, I, I think personally like, you know, I think, I think I'm gonna start calling him Song because if keep saying you're donging off an African guy's gonna ask me why I'm gay.
But yeah, son, could, could potentially beat him there. I think bantamweight as well. His bantamweight is getting so interesting.
There's so many like good fighters coming up and you've got, you've got The Murat Murad vs Umar in, in a week.
[00:44:33] Speaker A: Yeah, I think, I think, I think the division as a whole is getting interesting. I don't think whatever's going to happen at the top after February 9th is going to be that interesting for a while. I mean, yeah, I think Umar's gonna, gonna beat Merab and I think for a very long time Umar's gonna rule the roost.
[00:44:51] Speaker B: Well, he's a numa, is a, is a Namaga Med off in it. So they have a habit of reigning, do you know what I mean?
[00:45:00] Speaker A: And dare I say, I think he might have the best wrestling, the best stand up of all the.
[00:45:08] Speaker B: Murga Madovs. Yeah, so much better at saying that because I usually butcher names but for some reason I can say that one. I can even say Zabit Mada Sharipov I think anyway.
But yeah, he is striking.
[00:45:26] Speaker A: It was like, it was like a preschool kid trying to do his syllables.
[00:45:29] Speaker B: Yeah, it was, it was. Yeah, I can say it's a beat.
[00:45:34] Speaker A: I'm not going to attempt it. I would be that bad. So yeah, fair play.
[00:45:39] Speaker B: But yeah, no 100. I mean the fight, Umar's fight with Sandhagen, I, I think it was a very underrated potential fight of the year. Do you know what I mean as well.
[00:45:49] Speaker A: Yeah, that's the main thing. I, I felt slightly sorry for Corey because I feel in rounds four and five, I think it run away from him a little bit. But yeah, the other rounds were quite close.
[00:46:02] Speaker B: Yeah. And there was a. I mean, like I say, even the grappling exchanges, I mean, Corey was like, you know, he wasn't. Wasn't anywhere near like Umar's level, but he was, he was getting out. He was, he was like defending some of them. Again, the striking exchanges were beautiful. Do you know what I mean? It was, it was a. It was an amazing fight.
That's definitely a one to. To re. Watch if anyone hasn't like watched that for a while. Yeah.
But, yeah, yeah, bantamweight's pretty. Pretty interesting at the minute.
I. I miss Cody Guardran, like prime Cody Guard, bro. You know what I mean?
You know you're not a fan of. No. No love for no love.
[00:46:49] Speaker A: I think. You know what? Genuinely, I think I preferred tj. I was more of a TJ guy.
[00:46:54] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you're either one of the other worker. You know what I mean?
[00:46:58] Speaker A: Yeah.
And I think they had a fantastic rivalry. I just. Yeah, it wasn't like a cup of tea, but. But yeah, speaking of, I don't know if we've touched on it at all yet. UFC London's coming up March 22nd.
We've started to see some fights be announced. I don't know if it's official official, but the closest I've seen to a main card at the moment looks like it's Jack Della Madalena versus Liam Edwards.
[00:47:36] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I. I don't think there's been nothing official put out there.
Yeah, I know, I know there was a lot of talk about Leon versus Sean Brady, and then people will talk about Leon versus jdm and you know, it's.
Yeah.
[00:48:00] Speaker A: What was Sean Brady's last fight?
[00:48:03] Speaker B: I don't want to say it wasn't Bal, surely. Right, Let me double check. I. I'll.
[00:48:10] Speaker A: I can't remember him fighting since then. That's the thing.
[00:48:14] Speaker B: If we've missed a fight, that's going to be really embarrassing for us. But, you know, let's double check.
So it was Gilbert Burns.
He fought Gilbert Burns.
[00:48:29] Speaker A: I'm gonna have to go fight pass for that one. Jesus Christ. I don't remember it.
[00:48:33] Speaker B: Yeah, it was a fight night in September last year.
[00:48:38] Speaker A: Long ago.
[00:48:41] Speaker B: Why don't we remember anyway? So. Yeah, because I could have sworn.
[00:48:46] Speaker A: I could have sworn Gilbert Burns last fight was Jack Della Maddalena. Jesus Christ.
[00:48:51] Speaker B: Yeah, I think that. Let me see, let me see if. If that was good. That has to have been Gilbert's last fight. No, it wasn't. No. He found shame. Sean Brady after jdm.
[00:49:02] Speaker A: Yeah, that's. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
[00:49:05] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:49:05] Speaker A: Yeah. Right. That's the end of this podcast. Good night.
[00:49:08] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:49:09] Speaker A: Qualified to do this anymore.
[00:49:13] Speaker B: Jesus, that's embarrassing. I'm just going to say that I was drunk that day and I forgot it. Know what I mean?
[00:49:19] Speaker A: So I was gonna say they were really boring fights. That's why I can't remember them.
[00:49:24] Speaker B: So I need to see.
[00:49:28] Speaker A: But I will. I will rewatch them to remind myself.
[00:49:31] Speaker B: Yeah, definitely. We got to do. You got to do research and tape study. You know what I mean?
But yeah, yeah, Leon, Leon versus jdm.
If that's the one that's going to happen, I think, I think that's. I think that's a really good fight. You know what I mean?
[00:49:47] Speaker A: It's my. It's definitely my preferred option of, of, of all the potentials.
[00:49:52] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah, I think, I think there's a lot to prove for. For both fighters if that's the, if that's the one. Because, like, Leon, Leon's obviously, you know, needs to prove they still got it.
[00:50:03] Speaker A: I don't think Leon's got anything to prove.
I think it's. It's favorable for him because it's a. It's a guy that's going to stand up and, and want to stand on the field.
[00:50:13] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:50:15] Speaker A: Which is gonna play well to Leon, which is why I could see that he's accepted that fight. Yeah.
But Jack, Jack's got depending on, like, weight class dependent, possibly some of the best boxing skills on the UFC roster.
[00:50:32] Speaker B: I think very underrated and very like, you know, I mean, even if you look at his days before the ufc, like, he was crisp with it. He was knocking everyone out. You know what I mean? Yeah. So, yeah, this is definitely going to be one of them stand and bang fights, which I think people will really, really love to see.
[00:50:50] Speaker A: That's what I want. That's definitely.
[00:50:52] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Everyone loves the stand and bang, but like, say if JDM pulls it off, like you're potentially looking at next.
Next title shot. I mean, there was even talks when, when Bilal pulled out of the, the Shavkat fight of JDM stepping in for that.
So JDM is definitely being spoke about with high regard.
And then if Leon wins, does. Does Leon get the. Get the shot after Shavkat and Bilal happen? Do you know what I mean? So.
Well, awake. Good one.
[00:51:27] Speaker A: I don't know if, if many people that listen to this do this or if you do as well. But I. I do like to collect the.
The UFC cards. You like, the autograph cards. I've got some of them up there.
[00:51:36] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
What have you got there?
[00:51:41] Speaker A: This one here is a rookie.
Jack Delamel Madeleina season pass gem, mint 10. So it's like perfect condition. And I bought that one on, because I did. I was fairly confident just before the Gilbert Burns fight that I thought. I felt like he could possibly go all the way.
[00:52:00] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:52:01] Speaker A: But big butt. I think he would struggle against the likes of B and Shavkat.
[00:52:09] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[00:52:11] Speaker A: So if. If. If. I mean, the current standings at the top, I think of struggle, I would. I'd love to see him fighting Gary, though.
[00:52:20] Speaker B: Oh, that'd be a good one. That would be a good one. Do you know what I mean?
I think. See, I also think eventually, like, Leon. Leon versus Gary might happen because there's a little bit of history there. There's a little bit of beef there. And again, I think Gary's kind of, you know, improve. Gary's really improved his grappling, I've got to admit. But if you're training with Oliveira, then that's bound to happen. If that doesn't happen and you're trading with you.
Do you know what I mean?
[00:52:49] Speaker A: Yeah. 100. Yeah.
[00:52:52] Speaker B: So JDM versus Gary, you know, I don't think could be as standards bangy as. As Leon versus jdm. I think there'll be a lot of mixing the martial arts there.
But, yeah, we're still waiting to see. I mean, the tickets for London go out very, very soon, and.
[00:53:09] Speaker A: Yeah, in the next couple of weeks, right?
[00:53:11] Speaker B: Yeah, we're still kind of waiting. I mean, there's been some great confirmed fights for it so far. I mean, you've got.
Is it. Is it Blahovic vs. Ulberg? Is that on this?
[00:53:22] Speaker A: It is, yeah. That's an interesting one. Alberg. I mean, he seems to be walking his way to the top of the minute.
[00:53:28] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[00:53:31] Speaker A: At the same time, the kind of guy that I wouldn't like to my. Wouldn't let my missus to meet, because he is.
[00:53:38] Speaker B: It's every female, like, MMA fighter, a fan that I know is just like, as soon as you mention Oldberg's name, it's like.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's like. It's like. It's like. It's like Mackenzie Dern and Tracy Cortez for. For me.
But, yeah. And young Blahovic has been out of it for a while, and I think He's. He's vastly underrated. I think Yang is underrated.
[00:54:05] Speaker A: I think if he, If. If he went in there with the right game plan and stuck to it, I. I think he could beat Alex. I do.
[00:54:14] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:54:14] Speaker A: Yeah, He. He showed it against Izzy. That. That kind of top heavy.
[00:54:20] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[00:54:22] Speaker A: The kickboxing didn't really have much to do with it. No.
But he's got. He's got. He's got a. He's got to string a few things together, I think. First, who else we. Who else have we had announced we've had so far? I think we've had Nathaniel woods, which I'm super excited about. I remember watching him at.
I think it was Aspinal Blades when Aspinall blew his knee off the top of it.
[00:54:47] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:54:50] Speaker A: Genuinely one of my favorite fights I think I've watched live. It was like, it. Like he. He didn't knock him out, it went to a decision. But just seeing how technically good he was, that up close was my, like, the trips particularly, I think he hit him with quite a lot of trips in that fight, and it was just incredible to watch. Like, he just. The. The guy had no answers.
Let me just get. Let's see who else has been, like, genuinely confirmed. I don't want to go on.
[00:55:23] Speaker B: Yeah, we got to be.
Yeah, I mean, like, scoring about some of your wood. Like, I'll be chatting to him for a. For a while because we met in Manchester. Top, top guy. Absolutely one of the, you know, nicest guys you could ever meet. And. And I watched him fight a pineda there at 304. And again, technical. He was just. He was skillful with it. The trips, the takedowns, the groundwork, everything. And again, it was a decision, decision, win, but definitely. Definitely one hell of a fighter. And this, this, if. I don't know if it has been officially confirmed, his next opponent, but he's. He's on it. He's on London. And I think the opponent.
[00:56:02] Speaker A: I think it has now. I think I dorf posted it and he's like Fabrizio Romano. For me, if Marcel's.
[00:56:08] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, if I'm not seeing that, but if Marcel's posted it, then fair enough. Okay, I'll. Yeah. You know what I mean?
[00:56:16] Speaker A: It's against Morgan Cherie. I think off the top of my head, who's the French guy who was Cage Warriors? Is he just coming from Cage Warriors?
[00:56:25] Speaker B: Yeah, no, he was. He was on the father's guard. I think it's a brilliant. Yeah, it's amazing. Fight. I think Nathaniel put a little DM up as well of the. Gonna go for a beer afterwards. Do you know what I mean?
[00:56:39] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:56:41] Speaker B: So I, I did tell Wood that the first round's on me and I might regret that because it could turn mess it, but.
So that's something I'm looking forward to. But that, that. I think that's a great matchup for both men, you know what I mean?
Yeah. I think Shauna Bannon's been confirmed against Pooja.
[00:57:03] Speaker A: Yeah. Did she just. Is she coming off a loss? I feel like she's coming off a loss.
[00:57:06] Speaker B: Oh, Shauna won again. 304.
[00:57:09] Speaker A: It was. Yeah, it was a three or four in Manchester.
[00:57:11] Speaker B: Yeah, it was the first fight of the night. She was. First fight. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And she looked good. You know, I. I got a lot of time for. For Shauna Banner. Right. She. She's. She's a good girl. She's a nice girl and I think she. I think she's better than people make out. You know what I mean?
[00:57:26] Speaker A: Right, let's see what TNT is saying. So TNT are saying formal fights have been added, including Molly McCann.
[00:57:34] Speaker B: Yeah, Molly's on there. We've got Mick Parkin versus Tybora. That.
[00:57:39] Speaker A: Yes, that's a great fight as well. Tom will obviously be there to support Mick Leroy Duncan, big boy facing Andre pov headline fight still to be confirmed.
Yeah, so. So TNT are basically saying at the moment, yeah, Mick Parkin versus T. Maran.
Why did he. Can they just give me a list? You know what I mean?
Alonzo Menfield's fighting on it as well.
[00:58:10] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:58:12] Speaker A: It's not.
It's. It's. It's not getting me that excited. If I didn't live in the uk, I don't think I'd be. I'd be thrilled for it as a fight night, if I'm being honest at this moment.
[00:58:24] Speaker B: I know. I know what you think. No, I know. I mean, I do get what you mean. I do get what you mean. I think as well, like there's.
I. I think with the. The main and co. Main are the one that's going to settle it. Do you know what I mean? I think once they're announced officially, I think, yeah, it might change. Change things a fair bit.
You could you. Everyone watching this could probably tell I'm being very careful what I say because I do. I'm. I do know a few things that is. That's going on behind me.
But, yeah, I think eventually, once it's all put Together. It's gone. It's gonna. It's gonna be good. I'd like to see. I also saw L. Murphy say that Orga would be good in London. I think that would be a good. Very good fight.
[00:59:20] Speaker A: Yeah, it would be.
[00:59:23] Speaker B: Whether they make it or not is a matter.
[00:59:28] Speaker A: I want to see Arnold Allen back. I think that's, like, probably top of my list at the moment. If. If Arlen was on this card, then I'd. Yes, I'd be a lot more hyped. I mean, I'm already hyped for the fact of, like, Nathaniel. I couldn't speak enough about Nathaniel woods and how, like, like, technically. Technically good and sound. I think he is.
[00:59:47] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:59:48] Speaker A: Like, one of my favorite fights of all time. I don't know if you remember. It was going back to Fight island when it first started in covert. It was Rob Whitaker versus Darren Till.
[00:59:55] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:59:56] Speaker A: And like, technically, just, like, it was such an entertaining fight. Like, if. If you made one mistake, he was gonna punish you for it. And it was the suspense of watching them. It was incredible.
And, yeah, one of my favorite fights of all time. And no one got knocked out.
[01:00:18] Speaker B: Rob with that elbow and dropped him, if you remember that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:00:23] Speaker A: That was open.
[01:00:24] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, that was. I. I was like, oh, you know what I mean? Like, I thought it's gonna swing the.
[01:00:29] Speaker A: Fight, if I'm honest, because.
[01:00:30] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, same here.
No, and I think the best thing about them fight Islands was the no crowd 100. It's so good, man. It's so good. Like, you hear every smack, you hear every twat, you know? I mean, everything. It's just like. It's unreal, unreal. It's like when they released the.
Go on. Sorry, man.
[01:00:54] Speaker A: No, no, you continue. You continue flowing.
[01:00:56] Speaker B: I'm just saying, like, when they released the no commentary tracks, you know, on. On YouTube, like, the fights, it's so good, man. And, like, it's like being there live without the annoying casual next to you, you know? I mean, saying, stand them up and all that, you know? I mean, you're not the annoying casual. You weren't there. No, no, There was some. Three or four. There was definitely some. I overheard someone say, is Connor fighting? And I nearly threw me pint at him.
I didn't. You know, I wasn't getting thrown out before the main event. You know what I mean?
[01:01:38] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't know. I'm gonna keep my eyes peeled. I think it's something. Over the next few. Few weeks, as things get announced, we're gonna check back in on and just see how it builds up. And then maybe a few weeks before the card, we'll give our rating for the card.
Regardless. I will be there in and around everything going on. The rest of the guys that gets offense will and I'm sure you will as well.
[01:02:00] Speaker B: So my official announcement here is this, this man clad is traveling down to London for a few days and I either gonna get arrested or I'm gonna have a great time or both. Do you know what I mean? Well, I think both too. I, I genuinely do think both.
Yeah, I'll probably be attending the, the fight night as well and, and having a good time. So it should be a good, should be a very good week there.
[01:02:31] Speaker A: Yeah, if, if you, I mean you'll post yourself, I'm sure, but if the guy, if you're, if you're listening, watching, whatever you're doing, wherever you are, we'll have social media links down below, drop us a follow and we will. Usually what we do against the fence is we kind of try and orchestrate. It doesn't always work out very well, but they're getting better.
Kind of a fan meetup. So loads of us content creators and, and other fans all come together. We try and shoot some fan related content about some of the fights coming up. So if you want to have your opinion heard, be there. And we will be there. And yeah, I'm looking forward to it. I'm really looking forward to it.
[01:03:10] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. Like I say.
[01:03:14] Speaker A: Yeah. So to wrap this up, there's what, there's one more thing on my list and it was possibly the strangest thing, I think, that come out of the past week or so in terms of news, and that's Dana White joining the meta's board of directors.
[01:03:29] Speaker B: Most randomest thing I've ever heard. You know what I mean? Like, it's, it's mental. What made me laugh about that was Elon Musk was at the UFC event not long ago with Trump. And then Dana's like, yeah, I'm gonna go with Zuckerberg. Like that.
[01:03:48] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:03:49] Speaker B: Elon muskuming.
[01:03:51] Speaker A: It's been a very weird dynamic. Dynamic because at one point Elon was gonna do a grappling match with.
[01:03:57] Speaker B: I remember.
[01:03:58] Speaker A: Yeah, wasn't he?
[01:03:59] Speaker B: I thought it was going to be full MMA apparently, and they were going to put it all in the, in the, the Roman Coliseum and all that.
[01:04:05] Speaker A: Stuff I can't get my head around at all.
[01:04:08] Speaker B: It's a bit odd. And, and to me I kind of, you know, maybe this is another way of looking at it. Like, is. Is Dana starting to step away from the UFC a bit? You know, like, I mean, he's got the power slot. He's now the board of the meta directors. It's like, how many other fingers in pies is he gonna have when he should kind of be focusing on the ufc?
[01:04:31] Speaker A: I think. I think the thing I'm interested to. To see first from Dana is exactly what his role is going to be. I haven't read too much into it.
[01:04:39] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:04:40] Speaker A: Just, you know, as a headline.
[01:04:41] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:04:44] Speaker A: What. What is particularly relevant, I mean, apart from advertisement. And when you're going to try and block your ex on Facebook, you just get the next UFC pay per view come up. I don't. I. I don't know how it's going to benefit him. Too much. Much.
[01:04:58] Speaker B: Maybe they're. Maybe they're going to bring back Facebook prelims. Do you remember them?
Don't remember. I'm showing my age. So, like, back in the day of ufc, early prelims were on. Was live streamed on Facebook. Like, I think. I think Stephen Wonder Boy Thompson's debut was on live on Facebook.
[01:05:16] Speaker A: Oh, now? Yeah, now you are going back. Jesus Christ.
[01:05:23] Speaker B: I really, really showing my age. Yeah, but it's. So maybe. Maybe they're gonna bring that back. Maybe. Maybe Facebook prelims are making a return or they're gonna put fights on in the metaverse.
[01:05:34] Speaker A: If you remember, I picked recently, I picked up a meta quest headset. The Meta quest. Three heads.
[01:05:40] Speaker B: Oh, the VR things.
[01:05:42] Speaker A: Yeah. And I do have to say they are absolutely incredible.
[01:05:46] Speaker B: They are pretty cool. I tried one out in a shop over Christmas and I was like, like, this is the future. This. This is mad. Do you know what I mean?
[01:05:53] Speaker A: Yeah, I know. Yes. Yesterday I got home, I finished work, and then I was walking around the streets of. Of Gotham beating people up as Batman.
[01:06:03] Speaker B: And then you put them at a quest on.
[01:06:06] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly.
Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, they are incredible. I could. I. I tell you what I would like to see him do and be involved in is if they brought a UFC game to the meta quest.
[01:06:22] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:06:22] Speaker A: I could definitely see myself, like, question mark. Kicking my tv.
[01:06:27] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:06:29] Speaker A: And breaking my foot.
[01:06:30] Speaker B: Or they put. They put fights on. So a PP PPV on the meta quest, and it's like, how sick would that be?
[01:06:41] Speaker A: Imagine that'd be mint.
[01:06:44] Speaker B: You know what I mean? You just put the headset on and. And you're literally caveside and you're looking about. You know what I mean, and you just, that, that'd be pretty like the sphere on your head.
[01:06:58] Speaker A: Have you seen those hyper, hyper realistic football stadiums they've got in the US at the minute?
[01:07:04] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:07:05] Speaker A: Well, it's like you're sat in the crowd and you've got that massive, like eight. Yeah, massive, like curved screen in front of you.
[01:07:12] Speaker B: Yeah, well, at first, you know, when I first saw that, I thought, oh, that's the sphere. And then I actually saw the real sphere and I was like, oh, no, it's not that, that, that's, that's amazing. You know what I mean? That, that's like a little telly in the corner and the sphere is like a big odian picture. Do you know what I mean?
But, yeah, I mean, can you imagine.
[01:07:31] Speaker A: Watching that as if you, as if you're basically inside the ring as the.
[01:07:35] Speaker B: Ref, like the PFL puts the ref cap on, don't they?
[01:07:38] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:07:40] Speaker B: You know, you learn Mark Godard breathing and you'd be like, oh, hell, I'm Mark Godard today. Do you know?
Well, I'll say they had it for.
[01:07:50] Speaker A: The Max Holloway knockout. Gate man, when he.
[01:07:55] Speaker B: That was the first time I ever heard Mark Godard say something in the ring that wasn't telling the fighters. Do you know what I mean?
[01:08:03] Speaker A: Just from that, can't you.
[01:08:04] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. 100.
I mean, I think he did an interview not long after, and even he said, that's the first time I've ever gone, oh, my God in a fight. You know what I mean? It's over, it's over.
[01:08:19] Speaker A: He's obviously like, his eyes are half on the clock. You're ready to stop it.
[01:08:23] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:08:24] Speaker A: And literally he's got like a second left.
[01:08:28] Speaker B: He's probably thinking, yeah, well, that was a great fight, boys. And, oh, you know what I mean? Yeah, but yeah, mate, I mean, that was voted the best knockout of the year by myself, by ufc, by espn. I still say that's one.
[01:08:45] Speaker A: I, I, I tell you what, I don't know, are we gonna see a better one this century?
[01:08:53] Speaker B: I mean, there's always the potential in there. There's, there's a potential for anything. That's what I love about mma. Anything's possible. Do you know what I mean? Like, if you just told me back in the day that if you'll see someone who will do like a spinning heel kick, when someone's, you know, the, the, the Joaquin Buckley spinning heel kick, I, that's in the film. Nah, it's not going to happen. But then at the Same time I did see Edson Barbosa literally wheel kick Terry's head into the stands. And I doubt nothing's ever going to beat that, do you know what I mean? So, yeah, yeah. And now we've got Max Holloway knocking out Gaethje on the last second of the last round and it's like, nothing's gonna beat that. But you never know. You never know. Maybe, maybe when Tom knocks out Jon Jones.
[01:09:41] Speaker A: First round, 30 seconds in, you.
[01:09:44] Speaker B: Know what I'm saying?
But, yeah, he's one of the best, one of the best kos I've ever seen. That feeling was unmatched. It was like. It's like a popsicle.
[01:09:56] Speaker A: It was funny. I did, I did one of the interviews, I think, as you know, with, with John Gordon recently. And yeah, I said, I said to him, like, how was it? Like, that must be one of the, like the highlights. And he was like, not for me, really, because I'm, I'm still a bit disappointed in my follow up, which, which was. That's real life ninja. But.
And I, I was like, yeah, but just. I was thinking more like witnessing such an incredible.
[01:10:21] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Only someone like John Gooden could be like, that was the best.
Yeah, yeah, that was the best knockout of all time. But my line could have been a bit better. Like, like, to be fair, I do the same thing. I'm probably gonna watch this back later and go, ah, why did I say that? You know, I mean, boy, see, you.
[01:10:40] Speaker A: Know, you won't, you'll be fine.
Yeah, I think, I think that's it. I mean, we've been going for an hour and 15.
[01:10:51] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:10:52] Speaker A: Which I think is relatively short for us.
[01:10:55] Speaker B: We haven't. I haven't even had a drink yet. Wait until.
Yeah, wait until London.
The content that we film in London is going to break the Internet, I guarantee it.
[01:11:09] Speaker A: Yeah, we need to do an MMA related pub crawl.
[01:11:13] Speaker B: I like that.
[01:11:14] Speaker A: And, and film the whole thing.
[01:11:16] Speaker B: Yeah. Bisping's invited, Tom's invited, everyone's invited.
[01:11:21] Speaker A: That would be insane.
But, yeah, I'm, I'm. If, if you, if you've listened to now, thank you very much. Obviously this is a new thing for us.
Red Wolf, thank you for joining. I'm excited to see where this goes. I think it's going to be a lot of fun. I mean, I really enjoyed today, so thanks.
[01:11:41] Speaker B: Thank you.
[01:11:42] Speaker A: If, if you are new here, don't forget, like, Follow, subscribe. Both our socials will be down below. Hit the links, share the love. If you've got any feedback as well. I'm a big fan of feedback, so. So send us some feedback and we will listen to you. Don't worry.
And, yeah, anything. Anything to sign off with.
[01:12:06] Speaker B: I don't know. I think. I think I've actually spoke. I've said. I've said too much already, but, you know, it's been. It's been great. I think this could be the start of something very special.
[01:12:17] Speaker A: Yeah, it's a high school musical that.
[01:12:19] Speaker B: Oh, absolutely.
[01:12:20] Speaker A: You know, I mean, I'm not singing. I'm not singing.
[01:12:23] Speaker B: No, don't sing. Don't sing.
[01:12:26] Speaker A: We're doing so well till now.
[01:12:31] Speaker B: But, yeah, other than that. Boys and girls, a pleasure.
[01:12:36] Speaker A: We'll see you in the next one.
[01:12:38] Speaker B: See you later.
