Overrated Fighters, Gym Wars & McGregor’s Never-Ending Comeback | Against The Fence Podcast Ft RedWolfMMA

[00:00:02] Speaker A: Hello and welcome to the Against Defense podcast. I get really conscious now when I start and do that, because my miss has watched one of these before. [00:00:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:00:10] Speaker A: And she was like, what are you doing with your hands, like? And now I'm just going, oh, wait, no, yeah. We're back again with Red Wolf, the sexy man from Manchester. We got a lot to cover. Kind of off topic, just come into my head, following on from the last podcast we spoke about UFC London, and then by the time the episode came out, they announced like the full car, basically, didn't they? [00:00:36] Speaker B: So, yeah, that went well. [00:00:38] Speaker A: We've now. We've now got a full card with a fight that was announced in the week as well, wasn't it, for Jordan Vichenik versus Chris Duncan? Chris Duncan, Yes. Fight. That one, isn't it? [00:00:50] Speaker B: England versus Scotland, mate, it's been a while since we've had that. Do you know what I mean? I. I thought they finished. I thought they finished announcing and then they just throw that one in there and get everyone's arcing, you know what I mean? [00:01:01] Speaker A: Yeah. It'll be us versus Jordan in the stands afterwards, pretty much. [00:01:04] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Me and him have already had a chat about that and he's gone. Well, we'll see how that goes. Yeah. [00:01:14] Speaker A: Yeah. What do you think of the card altogether now that they've kind of announced the full thing and it's all confirmed? [00:01:20] Speaker B: Listen, I'm easily pleased, mate, I've got to admit, and I don't think it's too bad, you know what I mean? I think from a UK MMA fan's point of view, you know? Yeah, yeah. It's missing a few big names, but the only big name it's missing is Paddy. Do you know what I mean? Obviously, Tom's not gonna do a fight night, is he? He's pay per view, my serial. Now there's only one fight left for him to do and it's. It's gonna happen eventually. We've just gotta wait. But I like it, know. I mean, I like it. I'm interested to see how they're going to structure the card and where they're going to put who and stuff. Like the. The Jordan View fight. I'm thinking, was that going to be prelim headline or is that going to open the main card? Because I think that's going to be a scrap and half, you know? [00:02:02] Speaker A: Yeah, so do I. To open the main card, though, for some reason, I feel like it's going to be Joy Herbert. [00:02:10] Speaker B: Yeah, it's possible. Possible or Molly. Think Molly might open it. Molly opened it at 304, I think, didn't she? Or was. No, that was. No, I was going to say that was Nathaniel Wood, but it wasn't. He. He was a. He was a prelim headliner, I think. [00:02:30] Speaker A: Was it Leroy Duncan? [00:02:32] Speaker B: It was. It was. You're right. It was Duncan and Robocop. [00:02:37] Speaker A: Yeah. Big boy. Big boy. [00:02:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:02:40] Speaker A: Enough of him, to be honest. [00:02:41] Speaker B: No, no. Yeah. [00:02:44] Speaker A: Let me just have a look at the moment. It looks like. Yeah. Joy Herbert versus Chris Padilla. I think that'll be followed probably by Gunnar Nelson, Colin Kevin Holland. [00:03:01] Speaker B: I don't know. I might. They might make that third fight. No. [00:03:06] Speaker A: Well, I think in them, Molly McCan instead of Nunes. But. But Molly McCann could also, if we're honest, easily, probably be. Possibly be on the prelims. [00:03:14] Speaker B: She might be the preliminate liner. Yeah, she could be. It's a good thing. [00:03:18] Speaker A: And then obviously it'd be Jan versus Carlos Wilberg, then Leon versus Jack. Yeah, that's kind of my main card looking at it at the moment. Oh, Mick parking. Martin Tybora. [00:03:29] Speaker B: Oh, that's got to be up there. Yeah. The ranks, aren't they now, you know? [00:03:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:03:32] Speaker B: Oh, that's a good point, man. That is a good point. Where they're gonna put them. [00:03:37] Speaker A: Oh, I tell you what, the fight that was. I've just seen it. The fight that I was really excited about when it got announced, which I think would be, technically, if you're. If you're a UFC fan that likes technical fights, it's going to be incredible. Nathaniel Woods, Morgan to open the main card. [00:03:55] Speaker B: I'd love that. I'd love that. Because I think that fight. That fight's going to be a big fight for both. For both guys. I mean, like, who wins that gets a. Gets a ranked opponent, gets 100. You know what I mean? [00:04:08] Speaker A: Yeah, 100. [00:04:10] Speaker B: My. My money's on Wood. I'm rooting for Wood on that all day, every day. You know what I mean? Gotta be a tough one, definitely. But I reckon you can do it. [00:04:19] Speaker A: Yeah. So I would toss up to open up. I mean, Jordan Vichenic is gonna be second fight at the ufc, right? So I feel like it's a bit early for him to get a main card opener. [00:04:28] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:04:29] Speaker A: I feel like Nathaniel Wood deserves that spot on the main card, if I'm honest. [00:04:34] Speaker B: Yeah, Yeah, I agree with that. Yeah. So maybe Jordan. Jordan goes onto the prelim. I mean, Danger and dang and Fungus gonna have a lot. You know what they should Just hire us it. We'll do it. You know, I mean, get us in there. We'll. We'll move that card about. [00:04:50] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm, I'm not jealous of the matchmakers on this one. If I'm honest. When I look at those fights and think about how close some of those people are in their respective division, it's a tough one to kind of go, yeah, that fight's gonna be better than that fight. So kudos to them if they pull it off. Oh, yeah, I think the one, the one that I'm super nervous about, if I'm honest, is Lonnie Kavanaugh versus Felipe Dos Santos. [00:05:14] Speaker B: Yeah, See, Dos Santos can be a bit of a. He can surprise you sometimes, you know, I mean, you think, you think, oh, you know, he's gonna get beaten. Then he pulls some out. Now I like, I like Lonnie Cap. I do big time. And he was, he put a hell of a performance on his last fight. Was it Macau he was at? [00:05:32] Speaker A: Yeah. And he, like, he's one of them. He's similar to Nathaniel and that technical star. Yeah, I love it. [00:05:37] Speaker B: Exactly. Exactly that. So I, I think you could pull it off. I'm. I'm gonna root for him all day, but, you know, tough fight, very tough fight like this, this card is. Is tough for the, for the UK fighters. I've got to admit, they've put some good, good matches together there, I think with. I think with Mick Parking and Tybor, I think. I think Mick's gonna, I don't want to say fly through him, but I think Mick gets that done quite easily, especially when his teammates, Tom Aspinall and he's already knocked outside border, so he's gonna, he's gonna give him a lot of hints there, you know. [00:06:10] Speaker A: Yeah. Is there an element as well to. I think as a Brit, as a British MMA fan or a UK MMA fan, are the fight nights between potentially been paired better than the pay per views? [00:06:31] Speaker B: Well, looking back, actually, I think you. I think you might be right. I mean, there was one, I can't remember which London it was. It was one a couple of years back, I think it was. It was Aspino versus Volkov. It was amazing. It was. It was like a p. Pay per view. Like the energy and the whole, like, you know, country was just buzzing off that. That. And I have to remind myself, this isn't even a pay per view. This is just a fight night. But the energy was just unreal. That was when Paddy and Molly won. Molly jumps in the cage with the, with the belt and everything. You know what I mean? And it was just, it was fantastic. I didn't even go to that. I was supposed to, but I, you know, I didn't go to it and. Yeah, so I think, I think you might be right. They do seem to match a lot. Great matchups. I've seen a few people like, on it and saying, oh, it's the British Apex card. And I'm thinking, no, come on. Like, it's way better than an Apex card. It's way, it's way better than 3, 312. Like, I'm just gonna say it. I'm looking forward to 312, but it's not the best card, is it? [00:07:38] Speaker A: You know, there might be, to the people that are listening, around the world, outside the uk, there might be some slight bias in that. [00:07:45] Speaker B: I feel a little bit. [00:07:51] Speaker A: But yeah, very, very excited. You've got tickets, haven't you? [00:07:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:07:57] Speaker A: If anyone's going, let us know. We're going to be doing some stuff in the week. I'm also aware of some other content creators that are doing stuff in the week. I've got to give a shout out to Casual's Corner. [00:08:10] Speaker B: Yeah. Seeing he's doing another pop up in here. [00:08:13] Speaker A: He's doing a pop up which will be in London. I'll repost it on my socials. [00:08:18] Speaker B: If. [00:08:18] Speaker A: I mean, most people probably follow him. He's like one of the biggest MMA pages now, isn't he? But yeah, keep, keep an eye out because the venue looks incredible and they're gonna have a few guests there. Aspinall's cousin's gonna be talking about nutrition. [00:08:33] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:08:34] Speaker A: And he's had him before. I've gotten his actual name. Enhanced sports performance. He's a Scottish guy. He's. He's. [00:08:47] Speaker B: Last time in Manchester. Was he there? Yeah, he was, yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:08:53] Speaker A: Oh, what's his name? What's his name? Craig. [00:08:57] Speaker B: Oh, he's got. [00:08:59] Speaker A: Why, why have I forgotten his name? [00:09:01] Speaker B: Gone, mate, gone. He's gotta watch this. [00:09:04] Speaker A: He's got his UFC fighter. What's his name? [00:09:06] Speaker B: Oh, I mean Chris Duncan. [00:09:09] Speaker A: No, the other one. [00:09:10] Speaker B: The other one. Paul Craig. [00:09:13] Speaker A: Paul Craig. It is Paul Craig, isn't it? [00:09:15] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:09:16] Speaker A: Why have I forgotten that? Yeah, he's his, it's his, he's. He, he is his strength and conditioning coach. [00:09:23] Speaker B: Ah, yeah, I know what you mean now. Man's gonna feel like Bilal Mohammed, the fact that you just forgot his name. You know what I mean? Like. [00:09:32] Speaker A: Paul, remember the name. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah. He's got a pretty cool lineup. I think he's also doing a collaboration with Lonnie on some clothing as well. So, yeah, I'm gonna try look to pick up some clothing because I think that'd be sick. I've got. [00:09:51] Speaker B: What you got. [00:09:52] Speaker A: Where's it gone? [00:09:53] Speaker B: Oh. [00:09:55] Speaker A: Where has that gone? I had one of his comics up here. [00:09:59] Speaker B: You did, actually. I remember that. On the last episode. [00:10:01] Speaker A: Yeah. And it's literally vanished. [00:10:05] Speaker B: Someone's at it. [00:10:09] Speaker A: Whatever we got, we've got a podcast to record. Jesus Christ. What am I doing? Yeah, so that, that is before, before the actual card. I think it starts at like 11 o'clock in the morning. Location will be announced. I'm looking to go along to that. [00:10:27] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:10:28] Speaker A: So, yeah, anyone that's there, there, See there. Getting into what's going on at the moment. This one has been on and off the radar for absolute ever. And I'm, I was slightly bored of it until I realized that Chelsea had chipped in on it. He's, he's now come out and said that he thinks that Colin McGregor might not fight again. [00:10:50] Speaker B: To be honest, I'm gonna have to agree. Like, I don't think it's happening. You know what it's like. You remember those old Corey episodes and, you know, the soap operas and all that will. They won't that. It's starting to feel like that in it. Do you know what I mean? It's like, he's gonna come back, he's gonna fight this guy. He's gonna do bkfc, he's gonna do this, he's gonna do. Now he's doing a film now. He's doing. Now he's being president of Ireland. It's like, mate, come on, you know, like, like make a decision. What are we doing? You know what I mean? I mean, I, I, look, I, I, I love Connor. I can't deny it. I did. I did. I watched him in the cage Warrior days. I watched him come at the ufc. I watched him with that brash, you know, like, kind of swagger, you know, confidence type thing, but he backs it up and, and I loved Conor. And when he became double champ, it was just, it was unreal. Like, you know, you haven't seen it before. [00:11:44] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:11:46] Speaker B: But since then, it's kind of like, been, what's going on now. I mean, he came back, he fought Poirier, he fought Khabib, lost that, came back for Saronge, won that, you know, and then nice guy turned to the nicest version of Conor. We have Ever seen in the first, in the, in the, you know, the Poirier rematch. And then after that, very short lived, it was like after he, after he lost that it was just right back into the evil Conor, you know. [00:12:19] Speaker A: But no, I mean there was just a period where he was taking hormone replacement or something. [00:12:23] Speaker B: It must have been, it was, you know, if you really want to go into the weird schizophrenic conspiracy theories, you know, they'll say that wasn't him, that was a clone. Do you know, I mean, that was a cloned Connor. That's why he had his head shaped and everything. And I've actually seen people saying that as well. But they need to start their medso. But yeah, I mean, I'd like for him to come back for one and, and just, and just say, right, that was it. I am definitely resigning now, you know, because he doesn't need to fight. This is the thing in it. He doesn't need to. He's a multi millionaire. He can put a tweet out and it, and it, and everyone's lapping it up. You know what I mean? No matter what he does, it turns to gold on it or it turns to, you know, one of the two. Yeah, but I mean the BKFC thing, I can, I can see him doing that. I can see him having a couple of fights in that. Do you know what I mean? Jeremy Stevens or Mike Perry, someone. Do you know what I mean? [00:13:21] Speaker A: Yeah, I, I, Without a big network deal though, I don't, I know they got days in. [00:13:29] Speaker B: Oh, apparently is how you say. [00:13:31] Speaker A: Yeah, Dazn, it's called. [00:13:35] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:13:37] Speaker A: Suppose I, I think, haven't they just given him a broadcast deal of some sort? I think. [00:13:41] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, they're on the zone now. Same with pfl. So the PFL is on dishone. [00:13:46] Speaker A: But like so far he's been paying a lot of it. I was in pocket, I think as an investment into the business. [00:13:52] Speaker B: Yeah, I think. [00:13:53] Speaker A: So what's gonna happen? Is he gonna end up paying himself? [00:13:55] Speaker B: Well, pretty much know the one hand gives and the other hand takes away, you know, that's the way it is. Yeah, but I mean it might, but I don't think he can fight. I don't think, don't know. I might be wrong about this, but I don't think he can fight in the BKFC while he's under contract with ufc. And, and if you notice, like someone asked Dana at a recent press conference, you know, when's Conor coming back? And he just said, I don't know. Next question. Like, we've never. Dana just completely. Just wanted to move on from that question. So I don't think there's a good relationship there at the minute, which is mad because. Yeah, yeah, those two loved each other at one point. You remember it, you know, I mean, we'll have to make the edits of the broken hearts, you know what I mean? [00:14:44] Speaker A: It's true though, because the, like, I worked in a. I've worked in like a few sales jobs and the, the guy who owns the business, his favorite person is whoever the top sales rep is because he just makes him the most money. [00:14:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:14:57] Speaker A: And I think it was just the same thing where Daniel was like, I love this guy because he's kind of saved the UFC at that time. They were pretty well established, but he took them to such a different level. [00:15:11] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. When Conor was, When Conor was like in the ufc, it blew up. You know what I mean? Like, you can't. And I think a lot of people have said, look, you know, you really can't deny what Conor did for the sport. And you can, you can't deny it. And, and like, say, I think we're getting to that point now where the UFC doesn't need Conor, you know, and it's, it's kind of, it's, it's already massive, you know, I mean, I think if Conor came back, it would sell absolutely millions, like, no matter who we fought. I think. You know what I mean? [00:15:46] Speaker A: Yeah. I think the perspective to put on top of that, though, is recently we had a pay per view which broke all records, which was at the Sophia for note. If Conor McGregor was on that card. [00:15:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:15:59] Speaker A: Headlined it. Do you, do you think it would have been bigger than it was? [00:16:04] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, I think so. Do you know what I mean? Because, I mean, if you look at the top 10, right, most, most bought like UFC pay per views, Conor's like eight of them. Do you know what I meant? It's unreal. It's unreal, you know, I mean, the other, the other ones were like, you know, the old school ones, you know, like the Randy Couture and you know, gsp, BJ Pen. I might be wrong on that, but I know that about 8 of the top selling pay per views Conor McGregor was headlining. Do you know what I mean? He is the money man. Not even Jon Jones is selling that man. Like, he's eastern. He's like the bigger star at the minute. So it's. Although Jon Jones might break that when he fights Tom Hospital. That could break Records. [00:16:46] Speaker A: Yeah, I do as well. I, I, yeah, I think that could be a huge, huge card. [00:16:52] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:16:52] Speaker A: It's interested to see how they stack it up. [00:16:55] Speaker B: Yeah, you know, I, I keep thinking about it, you know, when, you know, like, do you ever play the UFC games where you could make your own card? You ever do that? No, I'm just sad, you know. But I was thinking the other week, like, you know, if I could make, you know, some hospital John Jones, like who, who would be on the main card and you'd have to start, it'd be like something like UFC 300, you know what I mean? You'd have to put everyone on there, but at the same time you probably wouldn't need to do what I mean, because the guy will sell itself. [00:17:29] Speaker A: Well, I've got an image in my head now. If you just sat in a dark room and your budgie smugglers and white socks just putting your card together like. [00:17:40] Speaker B: It was black socks actually. But oh, bro, you made me feel really self conscious now. Like, yeah, I'll just go and delete them off my PlayStation Now. [00:17:54] Speaker A: So. Right. We're pitching a tent over here. [00:17:56] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the only fans content and wait for that to drop. Hey, but yeah, I mean, I mean it's the other thing as well. Even if Connor does come back at this point, who does he fight now? If he came, if say they announced he was coming back, who would you put him up against? [00:18:18] Speaker A: Dan Hooker. [00:18:19] Speaker B: Dan. Oh. Oh, you sly little. Oh, and that is a good one. That is. [00:18:27] Speaker A: Realistically, I think it's the only one I'd really want to see at this point. Yeah, I don't think you can fight anyone in contention or on the way up. [00:18:38] Speaker B: No. [00:18:38] Speaker A: Because I don't think he really deserves that. [00:18:40] Speaker B: No. [00:18:40] Speaker A: Dan Hook has like made his way back and we know he's just nails. [00:18:45] Speaker B: So yeah, like I, I either fight. Yeah, yeah. They'll just, well, Hawker's fight engage in it and I feel like that, that we've already got a potential fight of the year candidate and it's not even happened yet. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, you know, I mean we could be really wrong on that. And he just stared at each other for 15 minutes. But I don't think that's going to happen, Jeremy. But I mean I, I can actually. [00:19:08] Speaker A: So many questions around Gaethje coming back after that knockout though. [00:19:11] Speaker B: Yeah, 100. I mean, I think as well, if G gets knocked out again, I think we could be seeing him retire. Do you know what I mean? And that pass, another wounder. [00:19:21] Speaker A: A vicious MMA circle of life. [00:19:24] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:19:24] Speaker A: Tony Ferguson. [00:19:26] Speaker B: Yeah, I know it's coming back to you. You know what I mean? It's. But with Hooker, like, say he's a. I think, I think if he wins, if he, if he wins that fight, I think he gets a BMF shot against Max. I'm just putting it out. [00:19:41] Speaker A: I like it. [00:19:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:19:42] Speaker A: I like it. Yeah. Can I, can I also say, can we start a GoFundMe for Chelsea to get some working Wi Fi to just figure out that Conor McGregor's not coming back? [00:19:58] Speaker B: I think Shell does this, don't he? You know, he's always kind. He's a bit like me. He's a bit like, you know, he's 5 minutes, 10 minutes behind everybody else now. Maybe he's using Explorer. Do you know what I mean? He's using it in the Explorer. That's what it is. He's got the one that told me Ferguson's pulled out of the Khabib fight. [00:20:20] Speaker A: Is that. Or he walks into a, Like a phone booth. It was a time machine. Went back about 10 minutes and stood out again. [00:20:27] Speaker B: I mean, I actually haven't seen the ch. The clip where he said this. I must admit I haven't seen it. But I like, say, I, I, I do think he's right, and I think we're all kind of getting to that point now where it's like, look, if Connor's going to come back, stop teasing us, right? And just, and just tell us, you know what I mean? Say I'm coming back on this day. I mean, I don't even think he's been USADA tested, not used to add it, but, you know, drug tested recently. I think he did once, but he hasn't had any since then. So Donald Siromi's probably had more tests at the minute. [00:21:02] Speaker A: Are we, are we in a position in this modern UFC age to start a midlife crisis division? [00:21:09] Speaker B: Don't, man. Because honestly, right, I'm starting to feel that made myself, right? I'm starting to. Honestly, there was the other week, I was starting to think, I'm having a crisis here because all my favorite fighters are starting to dip out. And don't get me started. Well, I don't think the UFC needs to open the midlife Crisis because the GFL's covered that, right? Like, I'm looking, I was looking at the GFL thing, and I'm thinking, no, why they got where to get Frank May from, man. Like, what's. Let the man let the man live, you know? I mean, just leave him alone. I don't. [00:21:44] Speaker A: Check Jen's PO over in a minute. [00:21:47] Speaker B: Won't surprise me. Won't surprise me. I mean, I didn't believe the Tony Ferguson thing for, like. I'm a big, big thing on don't believe everything you read, right? And. And when GFL announced that they had Tony Ferguson, I was like. I was like, nope, not happy. Off. No, no. Right. And then. And then he's on the draft and I'm like, oh. Oh, no. Oh, no, it's true. You know what I mean? So, yeah. [00:22:11] Speaker A: I'm gonna have to wait to see that actually materialize. [00:22:15] Speaker B: I'm gonna watch it. We're all. We're all little sadists, aren't we, Right? We're gonna watch old men beat the crap out of each other, right? Because. Because we love it, Right? You know, I usually do it outside. I throw a crack rock in front of crackheads and just let them go for it. You know what I mean? [00:22:33] Speaker A: But half of Manchester's in the street. [00:22:36] Speaker B: This is it, mate. It's great. You know what I mean? Throw a packet of ciggies on the floor and see everyone come out their house. It's great. It's hilarious. But, yeah, the GFL is a bit of a. I mean, let. I mean, like, you know, I'm not gonna. I'm gonna take the piss, of course I am. But I will. I will see how it goes. Do you know what I mean? But it worries me with the age of some of the fighters, I've got to admit, I don't want to see Chuck Liddell vs T04. You know what I mean? [00:23:07] Speaker A: Too far. I'd like to see the Iceman fight again. [00:23:10] Speaker B: No, no, don't mind. It's just elder reviews at this point. And I love Chuck. I love. [00:23:19] Speaker A: Other headlines that I was picking out. Kamaru Usman wants a super fight. Yeah. His chin's got more cracks than my nan's favorite teapot. And he makes sense, doesn't it? I respect the hustle, but. [00:23:37] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think Usman's another one in. You know, he wants a fight so he can call it a day, I think. Do you know what I mean? [00:23:46] Speaker A: Yeah. Retirement money he's probably looking at, isn't he? And if there's someone bigger in a bigger weight class, then, yeah, yeah. [00:23:53] Speaker B: I mean, I think he did. Who did he fight at middleweight? It was. It was a hamza. [00:23:58] Speaker A: Yeah, he moved short notice. [00:24:01] Speaker B: You know what? That was a good fight. You know? He put it on Hamza. The first round he got dominated. There's no, you know, it was a 10, 8. But the second and third, with his, with his up knees, he. He did all right, you know what I mean? He actually did all right, you know, so, yeah, I mean, who could he. Who could be a super fighter? I don't think he's getting a title shot. [00:24:23] Speaker A: No. I think Dana said at the press conferences this week leading up to the Strickland Duplis, that is he. Did he say that comes up next for the title? That's next. [00:24:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:24:39] Speaker A: Whoever wins, they'll be fighting him. [00:24:41] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, that's a nice reward, isn't it? Well done, boys. You put a great fight on now. Hamza's gonna absolutely have his way with you. Do you know what I mean? [00:24:47] Speaker A: But, yeah, yeah, I, I don't realistically know who. Who Usman fights if. [00:24:54] Speaker B: Honest, I don't. In. In welterweight or middleweight. I. I can't really think of anyone. You know, I mean, maybe. I mean, all right, this is going to be a big if, but if Sean loses, maybe Usman and Sean go again because they fought at welterweight, you know, maybe you could make the rematch at middleweight, you know what I mean? But again, is it. Is it a super fight? Probably not. [00:25:21] Speaker A: Yeah. I'm not. [00:25:23] Speaker B: Yeah, it's a bit. Yeah, I know. Would anyone really want to see it? You know what I mean? Well, the way. As well look. I mean, so Shavkat's definitely fighting Bilal next and then Leon's fighting jdm. [00:25:37] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:25:37] Speaker B: So winner of that is probably gonna get the winner of Bilal in the Shavkat. Yes. I mean, there's Ian Gary, but Ian Gary isn't a. Isn't a super fight material, I don't. I don't think just yet. I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what. It bring GSP back. GSP versus. I mean, now that would sell. I would buy the. I would buy that 100. [00:26:07] Speaker A: Yeah. I'm looking at the rankings now. Just to think about it a bit deeper. The only person who's just outside the top five, which I think makes any sort of sentence, is Kai Baralio at some point. [00:26:23] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:26:25] Speaker A: Imov's just beat Izzy. [00:26:26] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:26:27] Speaker A: Maya potentially is going to have a title fight. Izzy and Rob, I just don't see them fighting Usman, particularly Izzy. [00:26:38] Speaker B: Rob mate. Rob mate. [00:26:42] Speaker A: Yeah. Jarrah Cannonier. I think it'd be an interesting fight. [00:26:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:26:47] Speaker A: From the Goonies. [00:26:49] Speaker B: The blue. You're talking about Bogdan Smith's brother? [00:27:03] Speaker A: No, no, the Italian one. [00:27:05] Speaker B: Oh, Marvin. Marvin, yeah. [00:27:11] Speaker A: Yeah. I, I don't know where he goes next either, if I'm honest. [00:27:14] Speaker B: No, no. [00:27:17] Speaker A: Yeah. I don't know. Bo Nickel. [00:27:19] Speaker B: Oh, well, he's in top 15 now, isn't he? Yeah, I mean, I don't know how, but he is, he's not super fight. I don't think he's, I don't know. [00:27:32] Speaker A: He'S got, he's got a lot of hype. You can't. [00:27:34] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, he's hyped. He's hyped to, for some reason. Like they've got a big, they've got a hard on football. Do you know what I mean? I mean like, was it, he was on the main card of 300 as well, weren't he? And a lot of people were saying why? You know, I mean, I was saying why? You know what I mean? Like, you've got a stacked card like that. Why is he on the main? Do you know what I mean? I mean, don't get me wrong, you know, he might, he might do well. But again, there's a lot of, you know, a lot of hyped fighters that seem to be catching a few ones on the record now. [00:28:10] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, yeah, hold that thought. We'll come back to that. [00:28:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:28:17] Speaker A: So coming up this weekend, obviously when this comes out, it will be the Monday afterwards, but it'll just be funny to laugh at ourselves. During this section, we've got Zhang Wei Lee's title defense versus Tatiana Suarez. Yeah, I've put this one in because I'm actually, I'm actually like, I don't really get fascinated by women's, women's matchups too often. But, but this one does really fascinate me because Suarez had a pretty rough 20, 24 with like illness and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, she's undefeated. And like I, ever since I've seen the video, Zhang Weili picking up Francis and Gandhi. There's no woman beating her. [00:28:53] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:28:58] Speaker A: But yeah, I'm just interested to get your thoughts on what, how you actually think that fight is going to play out. [00:29:05] Speaker B: Well, we spoke about this before, before we started recording today, didn't we? And I think we've got two different opinions on it. Like, I, I love Zan, I love Whaley. I've got to admit, I, I, I posted, I was trying to shorten it and there was no way I could shorten it any less than 11 minutes, but I posted Whaley versus Joanna one and for me, women's fight. It's one of the best fights of all time. Do you know what I mean? I love that fight. That's when she made me a fan. Do you know what I mean? And she's just, she's steamrolling. I mean. Yeah, Rose caught with a leg, with a head kick, and, you know, that was. That was shocking. Like, I was really surprised at that because I thought Zhang might have won that. [00:29:46] Speaker A: Yeah, I think it's a fluke now, though. [00:29:48] Speaker B: Yeah. When you look back, when you look back, you kind of think, you know, so I. I'm excited for that fight. I really am excited for. For Zhang versus Suarez, because, like I say, Suarez, undefeated. She's got a lot of hype behind her, and I've seen a lot of people picking up. I have seen a lot of people saying she's going to do it, you know what I mean? And. And I wouldn't be surprised if she did. I'm not going to say not happening. Do you know what I mean? But for me, I feel Zhang's gonna. The experience is gonna come through. I'm a big proponent of experience beats a lot of things nowadays. [00:30:23] Speaker A: Yeah. And she's. She's also like. I think the one thing that I always overlook with Shang is she's actually got, like, quite a good base for defensive wrestling and she's got scramble as well. [00:30:33] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:30:34] Speaker A: But I just, I do feel like if t T alas can feel her out and can get it down, I do think she submits her. [00:30:42] Speaker B: Oh. Oh. You know, that's the second, like, you know, prediction I've heard that's maybe gone. [00:30:48] Speaker A: Oh. [00:30:49] Speaker B: It's made me worry a little that I think that's what makes this fight exciting, you know, because there's a lot of variables and a lot of, like, what ifs? Do you know what I mean? [00:31:01] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, Dana White's hyping this fight like it's a second coming of gsp, but. [00:31:06] Speaker B: Yeah, but Suarez, I remember back in a couple of years, but she was called. She was, you know, basically everyone was calling her the female Khabib. Do you know what I mean? And. And she was proving it as well. She was. She was dominating, she was smashing him. She was. She was submitting them, you know, so it's possible. I mean, when you look at Zhang versus, I can only say a first name, Yang, as Yang Z. Z Z, Yeah. [00:31:31] Speaker A: Yan. [00:31:32] Speaker B: Yang. Yang. Yeah. You know, she did okay at times, but you look at wh's grappling in that. I mean, she should. She actually submitted her three Times the ref just let her go. You know what I mean? Let's face it. [00:31:47] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:31:49] Speaker B: So there's a lot of. I think there's going to be a lot of really nice, exciting grappling going on in this fight, but then I think on the feet, Whaley lights her up if she can close the distance. Do you know what I mean? [00:32:05] Speaker A: Yeah. My, my. I think my bugbear is that this fight is really exciting, but the division itself is. [00:32:14] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, it's a bit of an. [00:32:16] Speaker A: Odd one in it, you know, like, it is a. It's a. Like there's not. There's. There's no one really making any movement. Slow it down. No fight each other. One person beats one person and then they beat someone else and that person beat the person they just beat. And it's like you want something to. [00:32:36] Speaker B: To really make you. I mean, I've noticed in women's fight women rankings, they always seem to do 11 versus 12 or 8 versus 7. They never do like 12 versus 3. Do you know what I mean? Where it's like, you win this, you're getting a shot right up and. And like you say, I've also noticed sometimes, you know, they'll be at the bottom and then all of a sudden the new rankings will come out and they've moved tank spaces up and it's like, how. Why? You know, like they've not, they've not fought for a bit. You know what I mean? [00:33:03] Speaker A: Yeah. And the UFC doesn't help them and market them very well, especially when they're putting like six versus five on the prelims. [00:33:09] Speaker B: Exactly. Yeah. I mean, you think about it though. I mean, look at Aylin Perez shaking her ass and twerking. Like, people know who she is now because she does that. Do you know what I mean? Tracy Carte says, listen, any red blooded male that doesn't know who Trace Car says is right there's somewhat wrong, you know, and those two are beefing with each other now. So if they're beat, you know, that's gonna. Because, you know, twerk off. Just do it. Just twerk off. So I think. [00:33:35] Speaker A: And then we'll have. We'll have Marab in the middle judging them. [00:33:40] Speaker B: Just go grump. But yeah, female, I mean, I mean, my. One of my favorite fighters of all time, regardless of female male, is Shipchenko. Do you know what I mean? Like, I think she's just. I think she's just amazing. I mean, Joanna was another one, still is, but she retired. And I think as well, like, I. I want to see Shevchenko versus Whaley, so I'm. That's another reason I'm kind of rooting for Whaley to win this. Yeah, that fight happened. Yeah. [00:34:13] Speaker A: I like it. I'm looking forward to seeing what happens. I just want a bit of. A bit of life injected to the division. Yeah. I'm gonna. I'm gonna root for Amy Scully, who we had on the podcast to. To. To come into the ufc. [00:34:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:34:27] Speaker A: In the next few years and make her way up there. I reckon she's got a really good chance, you know? [00:34:31] Speaker B: Well, in that. In that. In that mind frame, then I'm. I'm gonna throw Dakota Dic in that. I can't say her last name. You know what I mean? Pfl. [00:34:42] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know who you mean. Yeah. I. I like your thinking. And I think when they're, like, cutting the million pounds of 500 grand and think with someone with her. Her kind of hype in the pfl. [00:34:57] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:34:57] Speaker A: If she could come into the UFC soon, I think she's got to do it soon. [00:35:02] Speaker B: Yeah. It's gonna be this year. This year. She's got to come in late this year. [00:35:06] Speaker A: Yeah. And she comes straight into a top three. [00:35:09] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I can see it. You know what? I can see her. I'm gonna say I can see her being champ. I think she's very highly skilled. Highly skilled. Yeah. There's a bit of bias there. She's a man. Do you know what I mean? But she's. She's. She's really good. Really phenomenal. Like, her versus Valentina has been talked about for a while around these, like, areas and that. So that could be amazing. [00:35:35] Speaker A: Yeah, that would be. That would be an insane fight. [00:35:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:35:39] Speaker A: Yeah. Looking back slightly, we just looked forward. Is he. [00:35:48] Speaker B: Yeah, is he? [00:35:51] Speaker A: Is he? Is he? [00:35:52] Speaker B: Is he? Is he. Is he. Is he good? Is he staying? Is he. Is he not? You know what I mean? It's. [00:35:58] Speaker A: Yeah. Bis reckons that Adesanya's time at the top is over. [00:36:02] Speaker B: Yeah. Unfortunately, I think I'm gonna have to agree. Do you know what I mean? Like, can we see him getting back in a title contention? I mean, I thought. I will admit, like, I. I did pick. Is it a win against D? I must admit, I thought he was gonna. We were going to see contender. Is he again, you know, mythical fighter. Contender. Is it? And we just didn't see it. You know what I mean? Like, he doesn't move the same way he used to. He doesn't. He Used to stick a movie. He had the confidence. His confidence seems to be gone. Do you know what I mean? [00:36:41] Speaker A: I don't know. I don't know. I don't think, I don't think I agree with that because I think, I think he looked quite good in the first, first rounds. [00:36:51] Speaker B: He looked good, but did he look, is he good? Got you thinking on that one. [00:37:02] Speaker A: Yeah, you have got me pondering because. [00:37:06] Speaker B: Remember Izzy versus Gastelum, you know what I'm saying? It's this summit. There seems to be something missing and I don't know quite know what it is and I think he knows there's somewhat missing as well. [00:37:21] Speaker A: I think it's personal mentality. [00:37:24] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:37:27] Speaker A: I think when he was on the, on the up and he was smashing everybody, it was, it was all positive. Recently, it's been quite negative. Yeah, I gotta, I've gotta think that. I mean, I can't answer it because I've never been a UFC fighter or a high level MMA fighter. When you get one or two bad ones on the bounce. Yeah, you, you probably just start questioning absolutely everything. [00:37:57] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, I've never been a fighter either. But it's like in life, in it, when, when starts coming at your heart and you feel like you're taking loss after loss after you start getting to that point of what, what's the point? You know what I mean? Like, and, and it feels when he said, when he said something like, you know, I'm not bothered about getting the belt, which I respected. And he was right in saying, even if I lose, my legacy is still intact. And I, I agree with that. I totally agreed with that. But when I heard that, I did think his passion's not there anymore. [00:38:30] Speaker A: Yeah. And it is, it is common when people go all the way to the top and then very quickly fade off in the sunset. They, they've made the money, they've got the popularity, the fame and the recognition, which I think a lot of them probably get sick of, like the fame side of it. [00:38:43] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:38:46] Speaker A: And then on top of like all these new financial opportunities coming in, what are you going to do? Are you going to put as much time and effort into training to fight or are you going to seek to explore these new opportunity, financial opportunities which are probably offering you more or comparable money to whatever you're getting for fighting over the same period of like between fights? [00:39:12] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, this is it. I mean, it's like we said before about Connor in it, you know, Connors. I mean, I don't think is this as rich as Connor. He might be. I don't know. But it comes multi mill, multi millionaire, you know, with all these businesses, all these, like, little ventures and, you know, things that he's doing. Why would you want to put yourself in a cage and. And beat the crap out of someone? I'll get the crappy out of you. Do you know what I mean? It's like, there's no incentive if you're young. If young, you're hungry and you're starving and your kid needs nappies or whatever, you know, you're gonna. You're gonna have that hunger. And you see it a lot. You see it a lot with, with like, a lot of them that reach the top of the pinnacle. Well, it's like, well, I've done what I came to do. Do you know what I mean? I've come to make a life for myself and I've made it. [00:39:58] Speaker A: Yeah. And I think where that in the earlier days of the ufc, where there was a lot of fighters that, that it was like, there probably wasn't the sponsorship deals and all the brand focus that come comes at them, because whatever reason, with the UFC not being as big or the people, the way that the public viewed the ufc. [00:40:14] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:40:15] Speaker A: Now, now that that's changed and now that they are social media followers in the millions. [00:40:23] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:40:25] Speaker A: And people know who just know the name. [00:40:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:40:29] Speaker A: Why would you fight until you're like, 40, risk getting CTE and like, things to live with for the rest of your life? I think the big. The best plan if. If you were gonna be an MMA fighter is get into the ufc, manage their marketing, use it to your best potential, Climb as high as you can as quickly as you can. Basically ignore anything apart from training for the first, like, whilst you're there for the. And get as many fights as you can sensibly. [00:40:57] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:40:58] Speaker A: Not like Kevin Holland. Get, like, if you. If you can, if you're good enough, get the championship belt. [00:41:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:41:08] Speaker A: Have two, three to fight like defenses, try and fight for the next round cup, maybe over five, six years finish. [00:41:16] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. You know what? [00:41:18] Speaker A: Money, it's. [00:41:19] Speaker B: It sounds to me like, you know, Tom Aspinall says it right. That's what he said. He's focused solely on becoming the best heavyweight of all time. Getting his money, getting that, you know, legacy and then calling it a day job. He's not trying to get double champ. He's not trying to be, you know, the goal. He's just trying to be the best heavyweight fighter, defend the belt as much as he can and. And sail off into the sunset and maybe do some, you know, on the sidelines with mma, said, you know, maybe commentary, maybe, you know, carry on with the training people. You know, I think that's the way. That's the way you need to do it. I mean, look at gsp, you know, I mean, he got to a point where he was like, there's nothing else for me to prove. You know what I mean? I'm gonna take. Plus, he had health issues, and he noticed, like, look, I'm not. Not the same as I was, and then decided after a couple of years, yeah, I'll fight Bisman for the middleweight title. And, yeah, it. Let's do it. You know, I mean, and then again, it's like, Yeah, I have no. 1 title. I'll see you later. He's gone again. Know what I mean? So I. I think you're right. I mean, don't get me wrong. I'd love to, you know, see my favorite fighters keep going as long as they keep winning. I think. I think that's the issue in it. If, you know, even if you've got a favorite fighter, do you want him to stick around just so you can root for him, or do you want him to say, look, it's time for me to call it a day? You know what I mean? [00:42:34] Speaker A: Yeah. And I think the biggest one for me in the most recent times, which has been a prime example of that, is Tony Ferguson watching. Watching him towards the end of that gatechy fight. [00:42:44] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:42:45] Speaker A: Not enjoyable. No, it was tough. [00:42:48] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, even you go on to. [00:42:50] Speaker A: Watch him do like, another four fights, and you're like, what? Why? [00:42:53] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:42:53] Speaker A: Why are you doing this? [00:42:54] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, even after the gate she fight, I thought, okay, fair play against you, man. You know, we even kind of had it in the back. Well, the guy did cut weight twice, you know, I mean, maybe Gaethji was just a better fighter on that night. Fair enough. Wow, you know, great fight. And then. And then I think, was it after that, it was Oliveira. He thought. He thought, oh, okay, you know, that's gonna be a good. And then he got, you know. Yeah, that was about. That was a tough one. I mean, it looked like he was. Arm was about to rip off, and he wasn't anywhere near tapping, and it's like, out. Come on. Then it was daddy use then. And then Dariush dominated him. Then it was. I can't remember who else it was after that. Who else was it? Was it Chandler? Was it Chandler? [00:43:35] Speaker A: Yeah. And he kicked him in the face. Yeah. [00:43:38] Speaker B: Bronk hits him in the face, you know what I mean? And then he got ragged in there. Then there was, you know, there was Paddy, then there was Bobby Green, then there was Paddy, then. And it's just like now it's getting to the point. No, please, no more. Do you know what I mean? [00:43:50] Speaker A: Like, yeah, like, like you should. Realistically, I get that. I get him hanging around. He should have stopped off the Chandler. That was a brutal. It was his third loss of the bounce. Like. Yeah, come on, mate, please. [00:44:04] Speaker B: Yeah, and. And now he's now like, say he's joined the. The dfl. Might be fighting. He might. Well, if he's fighting Dylan, dang is. Trust me. The whole MMA community is gonna be so rooting for him. Do you know what I mean? [00:44:19] Speaker A: That would be very entertaining. [00:44:21] Speaker B: Oh, very. He would. It would. I've got to admit, it would. I'm like, you say, bro, you know, Tony Ferguson is one of my favorite fighters of all time. He's know The El Kakui 12 fight win streak was unreal. You know what I mean? He made people look like they were in a murder scene. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, it was great. And I always say to anyone, you know, a lot of these new fans, like, you know, they only know Tony as this guy that just keeps losing. I'm like, go back and watch him fight Barbosa, Kevin Lee, you know, Anthony Pettis, when he was in Tough, you know, go and watch him because he was unreal. Know what I mean? [00:44:59] Speaker A: Yeah, Blades and shades, baby. Blades. [00:45:01] Speaker B: Oh, that's the one. Blazing shades. And. And also, out, out, out, out the cage antics were hilarious. When he tells, you know, hold on, brother, I'm talking, you know, like, it was just. He didn't give a. Tony didn't give a. [00:45:15] Speaker A: Yeah, he had an aura about him which was like slightly psychotic. [00:45:21] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:45:22] Speaker A: And slightly. He would just. Well, I think. I think it's all around psychotic. I think. [00:45:27] Speaker B: Yeah, it was a psycho. There's no two ways about it. It was a legit. [00:45:33] Speaker A: Yeah, man, I'm gonna cry if we carry on talking about Tony. The most overrated fighters in MMA history. Every. Every sport's got overrated players, fighters, whatever you want to call them, but I think MMA is the only one where someone can have three wins, multiple arrest warrants, and still be called the next. [00:45:58] Speaker B: Big thing or the goal, according to some people. [00:46:03] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. [00:46:06] Speaker B: You know what I'm talking about? [00:46:11] Speaker A: A few overrated fighters. I've listed a couple. I just want to Try and have a debate on them. The next one we're gonna go. We're gonna go swinging in there. Ronda Rousey. Oh, Rhonda changed the game in terms of women's fighting. Yes, I'd agree. Couldn't defend a punch also. Yes. [00:46:34] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. I think someone got into her head, right, because she was a phenomenal grappler right the way she did. I think it was Cat Zingano. She just threw at the floor and just punched the out. Do you know what I mean? There was. She just jumped on him and snapped around in a couple of seconds, you know what I mean? Like, she was a phenomenal grappler. Right back when, you know. [00:46:55] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:46:56] Speaker B: She was judo mostly. It was mostly judo she did, but someone got into her red and told her, you're. You're a good striker as well, you know? And, and, and, and she wasn't. You know what I mean? Like, she was not. You know, when she met Holly Holm, she. She even said she was gonna stand there. It's like people nowadays saying they're gonna stand with Pierre in it. Do you know what I mean? Why. Why are you gonna stand with one of the greatest kickboxers of all time? Do you know what I mean? It's like, don't do that. But. So I don't know if she was overrated, but I think she definitely overrated her own stand up. [00:47:36] Speaker A: I think judo and her jiu jitsu, that was. Was incredible. [00:47:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:47:44] Speaker A: I read. I read Cage Kings by Michael Thompson. I had, I interviewed him on the podcast. [00:47:48] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:47:49] Speaker A: Kind of go through phases of, like, the UFC and the financial implication that it had on the business. [00:47:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:47:54] Speaker A: And one of the phases he has in there is Ronda Rousey. [00:47:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:47:58] Speaker A: He. There's a moment, I think, that he. That he writes about, which was when he was fighting me, when she was fighting Misha Tate in Strike Force. [00:48:06] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:48:07] Speaker A: And she, well, had a submission locked in. Didn't want to do anything more than that thought for some reason, I don't know why, that Misha had like, taps or something. The referee hadn't seen it, so she let go of the submission and they carried on the fight. [00:48:25] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:48:26] Speaker A: And from that moment, she promised herself she wouldn't hold back if something was on. [00:48:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:48:34] Speaker A: And it turned her into a killer monster. [00:48:37] Speaker B: Absolute monster, you know, I can't. What was. Because what was her quickest finish? Was it 16 seconds, 18 seconds? [00:48:44] Speaker A: I don't know. Let me look. And nothing. [00:48:46] Speaker B: It was. I remember it was. But her report just basically ran across the cage. Why. Why are you running out of phenomenal, you know, someone like that? And she just doodle judo froda and just. Just beat the. Out of it. Just pummeled her. Do you know what I mean? I mean, I mean, she also had that attitude kind of. I mean, I'm all for. I'm also a fight is having a bit of attitude, you know, and a bit of, you know, swagger, but not arrogance. And I think she got to the point where she was. She was arrogant, you know, I mean, she. She refused to shake people's hands and stuff like that. And it was a bit like, you know, at least show respect. You gotta show respect. You know what I mean? [00:49:26] Speaker A: You're right. It was 16 seconds in July 2014 against Alexis Davis. [00:49:33] Speaker B: That's one. That's what I was thinking of. See, I'm. I love showing my age on here sometimes. [00:49:40] Speaker A: I mean, your age can't be that bad if you've actually remembered it. [00:49:43] Speaker B: Well, I know. Yeah, yeah, I remember the good one. [00:49:48] Speaker A: Yeah. That is wild. Yeah. And then unfortunately, Holly Holm come along. [00:49:51] Speaker B: Holly Holm came. Yeah. And just. And then she fought Amanda Nunes afterwards, like, as a comeback fight. I mean, that wasn't going to go any different, was it? You know what I mean? [00:50:03] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:50:05] Speaker B: So, I mean, I think she got out when she did. I mean, I think she's another. She's. One thing you can say about Rousey though, is I think she got out when she was supposed to. [00:50:14] Speaker A: Yeah. Like, you can't ignore, like, the WWE thing and all that stuff coming out. Yeah, yeah. It's that whole theory of, like, stop taking the damage. [00:50:23] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:50:25] Speaker A: And go and earn some money out of it. [00:50:26] Speaker B: Yeah. Do you know? I mean, I think she did the right thing. And I know people, like, talk. It's funny because now I've got a few mates who were like, you know, in the WWE and that. They talk about Rousey, like, as the Big W. They forget she was in the ufc. Do you know what I mean? And I'm thinking, so that means she's made a. She's made an impression on her. Do you know what I mean? Whereas I remember as, like you say, Joe. Joe Rogan absolutely losing his. When Holly Holm kicks her in the head. Do you know what I mean? [00:50:54] Speaker A: Next one up, Darren Till. [00:50:58] Speaker B: Oh, Dazzle. Do you know what they did wrong with Dazza? Do you know what they did wrong with Darren? Silly pushed him. They pushed him too quickly, do you think? I think so. I think they were. They needed someone from the UK to be like, you know, the next Conor McGregor type thing. And I think they pushed him too far or too quickly. Do you know what I mean? I mean, I don't. I rooted for him against Woodley. I was thinking, we're gonna see, you know, you know, this Scouser become a champion. And when you think about Woodley's fights before that, before the Darren Sil fight, they weren't great, were they? Do you know what I mean? Like, he had a couple of fights with Steven Thompson, and a lot of people were trying to say he could be one of the most boring champions ever. That was before, you know, Bilal was about. So I like Bilal. I'm kidding. I just haven't forgiven him for what he did to Leon yet. But, yeah, and then with Cell as well, like, it was another thing. I mean, he even takes a piss out of himself for this. He never really. He couldn't train his grappling, his. His anti grappling, his wrestling, his takedown defense. He just. He just never seemed to pick it up. Do you know what I mean? He just couldn't get it. I mean, when you work, when you train with Hamza as well, there must have been a point where Hamza was like, brother, you are not gonna get this. You know what I mean? You're not gonna figure it out. So I think him going at boxing was probably a good idea. [00:52:29] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, that was. That was. I watched that, actually. The angley tail, it was ridiculous, if we're honest. [00:52:38] Speaker B: Yeah. But he's making his money. You know what I mean? It's. But you know what I've noticed, though? Till he keeps saying, I definitely want to come back to the ufc, and apparently he has a good relationship with Dana. No one really asked Dana about it, but apparently he would come back into the ufc. [00:52:56] Speaker A: Yeah. What's this? Space UFC London. [00:53:03] Speaker B: Oh. Oh, I love that. I love that. Gotta get people see what. [00:53:09] Speaker A: Let's see what we can work out. Whether it's. Whether it's press access or whether it's at the Q A. We'll get someone to ask that. Etf. Yeah, I think. Yeah, I think that's a great question to ask at the. At the media day. [00:53:24] Speaker B: What's that? We're down until. You know what I mean? [00:53:27] Speaker A: Yeah. Like, what's. Yeah. He keeps on saying that he's going to come back. What's your thought? [00:53:31] Speaker B: Yeah. As for overrated, I don't know. I don't know. Because apart from the fact he's grappling right there's no two ways about it. If you look at him versus ddp, he was actually doing pretty well. [00:53:52] Speaker A: Yeah. Like the, the way that DDP fights and we've seen it more at a high level to understand it. I think a bit better now. [00:54:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:54:01] Speaker A: It's so unorthodox and it's so odd. [00:54:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:54:04] Speaker A: That actually Darren was dealing with it really well and we've seen people probably be worse. [00:54:09] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:54:10] Speaker A: I think Izzy wasn't prepared at all. I think, I think Darren realistically done better than Izzy. [00:54:17] Speaker B: Yeah. I think he landed, he's landed a lot more effectively than, than Izzy did. I saw, I saw a little edit today that we've got, we've got the new homer symptom we've ever made and it's, and it's a tricker Stuple seat used to be gate shit but now we've got, we've got ddp. He uses his head, even head butted Sean's hip. Do you know what I mean? Significant. My head won. Do you know what I mean? But yeah, like, you know, I mean, look what I mean. Even the Rob Whitaker fight with Darren Till, like until dropped him. [00:54:53] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:54:53] Speaker B: Do you know what I mean? [00:54:54] Speaker A: One of my favorite fights. [00:54:56] Speaker B: It's a brilliant fight and it was one of those. It was, it was even better because it was in the apex with no crowd. It was great. [00:55:02] Speaker A: If I'm honest. I'm absolutely gutted at some point he didn't line up. Darren Till versus Adesanya, even if it was one out of Sonya was coming up. [00:55:09] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:55:10] Speaker A: I really, I really have a passionate. I would have loved to have seen. And they both, both came out and. [00:55:15] Speaker B: Said I'd love to they both thoughts about it. Yeah. [00:55:18] Speaker A: And I think that would have been an absolute banger because they both would have really. It would have been a real. I think it would have been fairly similar to the Rob Whitaker fight. Yeah. But I just think Izzy's rangy style rather than than Rob's bit more orthodox style. Would have been interesting to see Darren kind of trading in the in, in, in, in the in the gap. [00:55:39] Speaker B: Yeah, maybe. Well, maybe there's still time. [00:55:43] Speaker A: Still time if, yeah, if he comes back. I, I, I depending on what happens if Izzy next. [00:55:49] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:55:50] Speaker A: I don't think Darren comes back to Izzy, but I think Darren could come back to someone and then potentially fight Izzy. Yeah. But we'll see what Izzy wants to do. Sean O'Malley. I put in brackets before winning the belt. [00:56:03] Speaker B: Yeah. I must admit I didn't Think he was overrated because I think he had some phenomenal knockouts, but there was a few fights. So there was the Cheeto Vera first fight, which he did lose. I don't give a what he says he did lose. Right. And I can't remember the name of the other guy, but basically, I don't want to say suck mouth because we're gonna get into some different territory there. And he's also. His name also looked like Southampton, but basically he was kicking his legs and literally Sean was on one leg and the guy shot for a takedown. And it's like, why? And, and I think Sean actually won by decision and got interviewed by Rogan on the floor because his legs were done. Do you know what I mean? And I'm just thinking that fight was kind of. Sean looked good, but he would have lost that fight if the other guy had a bit more IQ about him. Do you know what I mean? [00:57:06] Speaker A: I think marketing wise from ufc, it was like, they're possibly with the nature of the sport, I don't know, maybe their worst nightmare. Because you've got this guy, he's got so much hype behind him. [00:57:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:57:17] Speaker A: Gone and won the belt finally. And Murab Davis Village. [00:57:27] Speaker B: He had his way with him, didn't he? Look, when you're, when you're on the ground and you're getting kissed on the back, right, and you know that there's nothing more. Humility. You may as well have pulled his pants down. Do you know what I mean? Give him a wedgie or something. He was, he was just playing with him. But that's what Murat does anyway. That's his style. I think that's actually genuinely part of his training. He probably kisses a heavy bag. Do you know what I mean? [00:57:50] Speaker A: Yeah, I, I just, I, I just, I just find the O'Malley Ascension a bit odd. Like he darts his way around the bottom. I don't know how he was allowed to do it the way he did and have so many fights. So. Yeah, and then just said, just go bump, bump. [00:58:03] Speaker B: Yeah, because he was fighting a shitload of Bung Rangers. And then I think he fought Jan, who was number three at the time. And again, controversial win. Do you know what I mean? A lot of people have that. You know, Yang actually won that fight. And then, and then he felt he fought Strickland. Not Strickland. Sterling. [00:58:28] Speaker A: That would have been an insane. [00:58:30] Speaker B: There's a fight to make. There's a fight to make. And fair play, he caught. He caught Sterling. Know what I mean? I Mean, Tim Welt did his little, tricky little. Oh, you aljo. You need to go. And it looks like he definitely did do that because he did it in the Murab fight. Do you know what I mean? So no chatting. You did do it. Yeah, fair, fair play. Yeah, he won it. And then he defended against Cheeto, which was a great performance, Great performance, you know. But then, like you say, Murab came along and he got, he got played with. Now, obviously now Murab just beat Uma. It's gone. Getting another title shot, you know, I. [00:59:09] Speaker A: Mean, I don't think, I don't, I don't know. I want to see Jan get a shot. [00:59:14] Speaker B: I want to see. Yeah, yeah, I do want to see that. But one thing you will say, I will say about Sean is he's got, he's got a fan base. He is very marketable, you know what I mean? He's. And I do it, I've got to admit, I like it in a funny way. Do you know what I mean? It's like, you know, like when you go to the circle, you see the clown dancing about. It's kind of like that in there. Do you know what I mean? [00:59:39] Speaker A: Although, although, I, I would say I prefer Murat. I think his skits that he done or has been doing are fantastic. I think he's really, really funny. [00:59:47] Speaker B: One of my favorite ones was the doctor one. I still use that. Brain damage. I still use that because it's hilarious. Barab is actually genuinely quite fun, even when he's not trying to be. Even when he's falling off horses and jumping in frozen lakes. Right? He's, he's hilarious. Do you know what I mean? [01:00:06] Speaker A: Yeah. To the next one's one of them. [01:00:11] Speaker B: Sorry, Marab's one of them mates that you say you're going to go out for a quiet one. No, crazy. That's Marab. Do you know what I mean? [01:00:17] Speaker A: Yeah. They wake up in a bush at 7 o'clock in the morning, freezing tits off. [01:00:22] Speaker B: Exactly, yeah. [01:00:25] Speaker A: Moving on to the next one, Paulo Costa. Oh, the man that looks like an action figure but fights like he was built in China. [01:00:36] Speaker B: You know what, I don't know what goes on with Paolo because like you say, he was another one when he came in. He was, he was flatlining people. I mean, when you actually. Well, when you look at who was flatlining, you know, they weren't. I don't want to say they weren't great fighters, but, you know, you had, you had Johnny Hendrix, who was basically on his way out Anyway, do you know what I mean? It was post usada, Johnny Hendrix as well. Not saying anything, but, you know, and then who else was it? Uriah Hall. But funnily enough, with Paolo, he's not beat anyone who is currently in the UFC roster. [01:01:16] Speaker A: It's one of them, which just blows my mind because I've never seen such a big man have such little power. [01:01:21] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. And he's, and he's massive. He's. [01:01:25] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:01:25] Speaker B: Do you know what I mean? See, juice or not, he's huge, right? And I mean. Well, I will admit, I will admit he puts on entertaining fights. He's another one. He's an entertainer. One of my favorite fights is, is Romero versus Costa. And I, I, I, I still think Romero won that fight. [01:01:48] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:01:51] Speaker B: I'm a big fan. Do you remember the fight? Do you remember that? Where he did the salute? Oh, bro, go back and watch that fight. Honestly, it's great. There was one side, there was one part in the first round where they dropped. Like, I think Costa did drop Romero, and Romero did the look over there and, and dropped Costa, and it was just hilarious, man. It was hilarious. What a great, great fight. You rewatched that, man. I might, I might upload that eventually because it's one of my favorite fights to, to rewatch. [01:02:22] Speaker A: I'm actually opening Fight Pass and opening it up. So I watched it straight after this. [01:02:25] Speaker B: Get it on there, man. Get it on there. But, yeah, Costa again, he's another one. Who, who's going to fight Costa next? Do you know what I mean? And is he just going to be, like, the gatekeeper of the middleweight? [01:02:39] Speaker A: He's not even, he's not even that in a minute. [01:02:42] Speaker B: Where's he at in the rankings? Is he, Is he five, six? [01:02:48] Speaker A: Yeah, he's, he's. I don't know what, when was his last fight? [01:02:52] Speaker B: It was Strickland. [01:02:55] Speaker A: Okay. He's at 11th. [01:03:00] Speaker B: Oh. [01:03:04] Speaker A: Names around him. I don't know if I don't know the way you get the fight up or down, but I think the, the 10 and below is a little bit, I don't know. Roman Coppola's now at 14. Michelle Pereira's 13. Anthony Hernandez at 12. The leads at 10. Brendan Allen at 9. [01:03:23] Speaker B: Michelle Pierre vs. Costa. Could be fun. Yeah, that might be fun. [01:03:28] Speaker A: Quite a excitable, crazy guy. [01:03:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:03:34] Speaker A: If they do a Brazil card, possibly. [01:03:36] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I've even heard people talk about Izzy versus Costa, too. I mean, maybe, Maybe sober Costa turns up. [01:03:49] Speaker A: Is Kai Barello. Got a fight lined up not at the moment. [01:03:54] Speaker B: No. No. There's a lot. [01:03:57] Speaker A: I think potentially, I mean, he might want to fight before that, but I think he would be a good one for Izzy if. In terms of a business. [01:04:05] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:04:05] Speaker A: Decision from. From ufc. [01:04:09] Speaker B: Well, I think. I think Kyle is going to be title shot after Hamza, so, you know, he. He gets. I think he doesn't maybe make him an Isley, but I can't do. [01:04:24] Speaker A: So we say Kai versus Imov. [01:04:28] Speaker B: Yeah, I like that. Oh, I like that a lot, actually. Yeah. Dana make it. Yeah, we're taking commission for that one. We're taking commission. Yeah, exactly. Perfect. So Hamzat's got the next title shot between the winger of Sean and ddp. [01:04:46] Speaker A: Now that you've said that, then, yeah, listen to this and go. Not doing that. I'm not not paying them. [01:04:52] Speaker B: David does what he wants anyway. David won't listen to me because I keep telling him to tell John to get the contract signed. But. But, yeah, that. That would be ideal. [01:05:03] Speaker A: I had CM Punk, but I'm going to glaze over that one pretty quickly. Yeah, it was a bit more of a joke than anything else. We've already been going for an hour. [01:05:15] Speaker B: This is what we do. [01:05:17] Speaker A: Bonus fight segment to. We'll go through pretty quick, which is fighters who were underrated until they weren't. [01:05:26] Speaker B: Oh, man. So you're going to say ol. Yeah, Yeah. I think he was underway. [01:05:32] Speaker A: From UFC journeyman to the most dangerous man alive in two years. [01:05:36] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:05:37] Speaker A: Kind of remind you of a substitute teacher turning into John Wick, right? [01:05:43] Speaker B: Yeah, we always took the piss out the substitutes. Funny story about that, actually. Like, we had a substitute teacher and we terrorized her and we. And I mean, we were. We were little bastards. We terrorized her and she disappeared for years. She comes back as a genuine, proper teacher, but everyone remembered her as the substitute, so no one give a. No one, like, respected her at all. She still got terrorized and she's like, I'm a real teacher, like, off. No, you're not. [01:06:13] Speaker A: Yeah, that's. That's one level of desperation is being a substitute teacher. Right? [01:06:18] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. Like, you must have a. You must have a kink. A humiliation kink to do that. I mean. [01:06:27] Speaker A: Michael Bispin. [01:06:28] Speaker B: Oh, what you mean? Michael Bispin is heavily underrated, I think. Heavily. [01:06:35] Speaker A: Yes. Okay. Still. Yeah, fair enough. Yeah, I. I'm slide. [01:06:39] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, yeah, yeah. He. You know, when he had, like, a number one contender fight. Yeah. All right. But he still did well. He still did well. Do you know what I mean? But he just seems to like. And then, and then look, look at the story. You know, he gets the rock, old fight, last minute, and he wins the championship belt. And it was just, you know, one of my favorite moments of all time in the sport that. [01:07:02] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's to have one. One iron and still when the belt is like, it's mind blowing, like. Yeah, it's like trying to eat a steak without a knife, isn't it? [01:07:16] Speaker B: Yeah, well, I mean, you could do it. It's just a bit more difficult in it. You know what I mean? [01:07:20] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [01:07:21] Speaker B: And the fact that he hid it for so long as well. Do you know what I mean? From doctors from, from UFC medics. You know what I mean? [01:07:29] Speaker A: How, though? [01:07:30] Speaker B: How. [01:07:31] Speaker A: What checks are they doing on photos? [01:07:33] Speaker B: Can you, can you see me? Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Like, apparently with the eye test, he'd go over without them noticing, and he'd read that, you know, like you have the letters, you know, the A, B. Read them, memorize them, go and sit back down. And then when they covered his good eye, he just recited them as if he was. And then he'd sometimes go, it. It looks like a bee. Yeah, fair play to him. That's. But that's those Manxas. We can. Until the cows come home. We can like sell ice to the Eskimos, you know what I mean? [01:08:07] Speaker A: The idea, though, that like, basically they've got like, he's, he's got, he's like that. [01:08:13] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Like his eyes just like, is the. [01:08:18] Speaker A: Equivalent of what's happening, isn't it? And he's going, yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:08:23] Speaker B: It looks kind of looks like it. Oh, yeah, you've passed. Oh, nice one. Cheers. You know, I mean, but, but it's funny because nobody knew about it in the ufc, but apparently, and I think this has been confirmed, GSP figured it out. Apparently there was somewhat that ESP noticed and he's like, he, he's got no vision in his left eye. Do you know what I mean? [01:08:43] Speaker A: So the goat man. [01:08:44] Speaker B: That's why he's the goat. That's why he's the goat, baby. [01:08:48] Speaker A: And lastly, to summarize this one up, Leon Edwards. No one rated him for years. [01:08:53] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:08:54] Speaker A: And now he's the best thing to come out of Birmingham since cheap rip off Balenciagas. [01:09:02] Speaker B: I love it, man. I love it. We've got a thing up here. We, we in Manchester, we say we nip it a Cheetah mill. Better new road, because that's where you can get every design again. It doesn't matter what it is. They've got it. But, yeah, I mean, Leon. Leon was nearly caught from the ufc, I think. Very nearly left before he got a couple more fights. And then does that, you know, Hail Mary head kick, you know, that was heard around the world. You know, John Anik was the most perfectly timed. Not the. Not the. Not cut from that cloth. Yeah, it was just. It was perfect. Perfect, man. And I love Leon. I think he's a great guy. I've met him a few times. He's one of the nicest guys you could meet. You know what I mean? And I'm very excited for Leon vs JDM. I'm hoping he's gonna remind them what he's all about, you know? I mean, it's. [01:09:53] Speaker A: It's the perfect one to do it. I think of all the people they could have matched him up against. Yeah, with. With the likes of Chef Cat coming up, I think. Yeah. If you want to stand and you want to bang, this is your guy to stand and bang with. And I think it's gonna be fun. [01:10:09] Speaker B: So. It's going to be phenomenal, man. Phenomenal. [01:10:13] Speaker A: Until. Until. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna jinx it. I was gonna say until someone pulls out and we get bloody Ian Gary versus Jacon Buckley or something. [01:10:25] Speaker B: Oh. To be fair, that'll still be a good fight, but don't jinx it, man. [01:10:35] Speaker A: Speaking of, obviously, we touched on Israel Adesanya. We spoke about it slightly, which is my own fault. Imov. [01:10:45] Speaker B: Yeah. I think Imov has impressed me dramatically. You know, I mean, he's. He's really impressed me, you know, I mean, the last couple of fights he's put on have been great. I did. I mean, I didn't think he was gonna. He was gonna dispatch Izzy that way. I thought that fight was going to go at the distance. I didn't think Izzy was going to knock him out, and I didn't think he was going to knock Izzy out. And he. He. He really surprised me. It was. It was a good. Good read. [01:11:12] Speaker A: Is he. Is he the best thing to come out of France since croissants? [01:11:22] Speaker B: I mean. Well, yeah, when you look at Cyril G. I would have said that. Yeah. I'm thinking him if I might have overtook Cyril gang now. Do you know what I mean? BSD don't get me. I mean, yeah, BSD's. He's. Well, he's got a lot to prove, I think. [01:11:40] Speaker A: I was so on board the bsd. The bsd, when they announced the Porio fight. I was like, holy. Yeah, this is it. Yeah, but how someone can drop so many gillies and you don't twice. I, I, I don't know. Bonkers, isn't it? [01:11:56] Speaker B: I mean, Dustin in his last fight, I am praying in Dustin's last fight, he wins by a guillotine. I mean, that would just be the most poetic ending ever. You know what I mean? [01:12:06] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:12:07] Speaker B: So put him against someone who can't grapple and he's defending guillotines and, and let him have his, let him have his dream ending. [01:12:17] Speaker A: Yeah, I, I, to be fair, right, the, the knockout knocking out Adan Adesanya, genuinely, it did blow my mind. Like, I was so impressed. It was like walking into Gordon Ramsay's kitchen and telling him it's roto. You've just, he was, you like. [01:12:32] Speaker B: Yeah. And the way he did it as well, it was, it was brutal. I mean, he dropped him with the, with the right, he, he hit him with the up, the left uppercut as he was going down, and it was just in his head, just went back and mean, it was even that in the round one, he hit him with an uppercut. And I think that's when he read it. That's when he read, right, that lands. Do you know what I mean? And that lands pretty effectively. [01:12:54] Speaker A: So was it early? [01:12:57] Speaker B: Well, the stoppage, I, I don't, I don't think so. I know a lot of people said that it was and I know our mate. Sigh probably thought it was as well, do you know what I mean? But I feel for s. God bless. [01:13:09] Speaker A: Him, but I do think he could have given him another, like five, six seconds. I do think he could have been, I wouldn't have been angry if he had. You know what I mean? [01:13:19] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:13:20] Speaker A: Like, where Bobby Green was getting murdered. You know what I mean? [01:13:24] Speaker B: Jaylen Sera. [01:13:25] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:13:27] Speaker B: Wait. The ghost of Mario Yamasaki was in the ring that night. Like, that was, that was brutal. I mean, the only thing I saw was, like, was Izzy was face down. And, and I always say, like, if you face down, you're not, you're not defending yourself, Jeremy. It's just gonna keep, you're just gonna keep getting it. Do you know what I mean? [01:13:46] Speaker A: He would. Yes, yes, he was, but he was, he was semi up. [01:13:51] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:13:52] Speaker A: I mean, I hadn't really been flattened out, but he was, could have, he could have worked his way to his feet potentially. [01:13:59] Speaker B: Yeah, potentially. [01:14:02] Speaker A: If he would. Because if, if imova, it's just started coming under and he, I think he, he would have Collapsed, which is why I'm saying I think he could add another 5, 6 seconds just to see if he starts to move forward or if he goes down. Yeah, yeah, it's a tough one. [01:14:17] Speaker B: It is a tough one, because like we said, do you want to see him take more damage? I mean, it could have easily been if. If it wasn't called when it was, we could have seen. Is he cold? I believe at least he was still conscious. He. Enough to kind of go, oh. You know, And I think he actually, there was a clip released. He even asked his corner, you know, was it early, was it a good stoppage? And I think the corner is. Is his corner told him it was. It was a good stoppage, and I think that's when he went. Took him above's hand. [01:14:44] Speaker A: So, you know, and quite quickly, they got footage out of him watching it. [01:14:50] Speaker B: And, yeah, I think he watched it as soon as he went in the back room. Do you know what I mean? No play to him. And that's. That's what I like about fighters. Some, like, fighters like Izzy is they will look at themselves and go, oh, that's. That's how I up. Do you know what I mean? So, again, yeah. [01:15:07] Speaker A: 100. [01:15:08] Speaker B: Yeah. And circling back to how we started this, I'm interested to see what he does next. I think. I think he does one more. I think he does one more, and that'll kind of help him decide what he's going to do. You know what I mean? [01:15:22] Speaker A: Okay. Okay, we'll pick up on one more. I'm gonna save the other person that we had for next episode, and we'll discuss him on that one. Yeah, I wanted to talk about. Because I've seen a lot of it kind of going on on MMA Twitter this week, and I fell for one of them. A few people circulating, full fight, false fight, a fight announcement. I. I was doing laps around my bedroom for the idea that BSD was going to fight Joel Alvarez. Just to find out was fake. [01:15:57] Speaker B: Yeah, I think it was me. Well, I saw. I saw you boys talking about it, and I thought, I'll have to break their little ass now, because I. I think I'm a detector, right? And I saw it, and I. And I just. I kind of text you, and I went, boys, I know who runs that account. And you were all like, oh, sure, I don't know, right? It's a really, really hot topic on MMA socials at the minute, right? We. I can't figure out how fake fight announcements keep getting blew up and. And people keep Like, I don't know whether they're falling for it. I don't know whether it's because they want that fight to happen and they see it and they go, oh, yeah, sweet. Like, I don't believe everything I read until, like, you know, people like Marcel Darth has posted it or, yeah, you know, Betty P. Or someone even, you know, someone legit or high up where you kind of think, yeah, they, they know something. Do you know what I mean? [01:16:59] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:17:01] Speaker B: Again, I'm not too in my own line. There's been plenty of fights that. And I think you guys at ACF know this as well. Like, you know, there's been plenty of fights where I've known what fight is happening and I've not said anything. And then I've seen other people posting that this fight is going to fight this guy. And I'm going, well, I know for a fact that ain't happening. Do you know what I mean? [01:17:20] Speaker A: So, yeah, yeah. [01:17:22] Speaker B: It's just, I don't get it. I don't get why it's, why it's such a big thing. If you put breaking news on your post and put two fighters together, boom, all of a sudden everyone's talking about it and there's certain. [01:17:35] Speaker A: 249 followers. That's. That might be what I have to do. [01:17:40] Speaker B: Do what you gotta do, Brody. [01:17:43] Speaker A: Yeah, but I will say there's some, there are some people that are in the know, which is now starting to clap back. [01:17:55] Speaker B: Yes. Yeah, I mean, that's happened quite recently. Like I say, there was a fight circulating at the minute with, you know, Armon versus Chandler. Again. That was one of them that I saw that. I thought, that ain't happening. And I know, I know why that's not happening. And I'm not saying why I know that's not happening. And the manager of Arman basically put the two guys that posted about it on, basically on blast. And one of the guys kind of said, well, well, if you, you know, maybe we could have a work. I know I bullshitted. I know I've lied, but maybe we can have a working relationship. And maybe you guys, if you told me stuff I wouldn't have to make up. I mean, it was brilliant. You know what I mean? Classic. [01:18:42] Speaker A: Yeah. And he turned around and went, well, if you keep on making up, then it's not gonna happen, is it? [01:18:46] Speaker B: Exactly. It's hilarious. You know, anybody that knows me who's following me is, you know, they. We know who we're talking about. I ain't mentioning his name, do you know what I mean? But he knows who I'm talking about as well. [01:19:01] Speaker A: So the Ax kick maestro. [01:19:06] Speaker B: Do it little. [01:19:10] Speaker A: Yeah. So, yeah, if you're thinking of doing it, don't do it. [01:19:15] Speaker B: Yeah, don't do it, man. Don't do it. [01:19:16] Speaker A: I think what annoys me more, but. But I. I give the people props for doing it. It's the people that just constantly regenerate under their own banner. Other people's fight news. [01:19:31] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, like, say, the guy that we were talking, he kind of does that a lot, you know? So someone. So someone say, like, Marcaldorf will post them at all AG fights will post summer, or, you know, someone else, and then they will say, oh, this fight's being made per such and such. And it's like. But again, even then, it's like, well, wait, wait. I mean, we can talk about it and you can say, oh, this. This fight looks like it's happening. Do you know what I mean? By all means, say speculatively. Do you know what pisses me off when they say such and such a fighter is in talks? Well, of course it's in talks. Everyone's talking about what it'd be like if those two thoughts. You know what I mean? Like, you can't say that's a valid fight. I. I won't be in talks with Cindy Sweeney. It's not. Not don't mean I'm gonna get with her, does it? You know what I mean? So it's just a wild thing at the moment where, you know, I think fake news is everywhere, you know, and I'm not trying to get political or nothing with it, but I think people are far too quick to believe everything they read. And I will. I've never done that. Must admit, even when I see that isn't MMA related, I must. I check about three or four times until I go, all right. Okay. You know what I mean? [01:20:51] Speaker A: Yeah, well, I did. And I thought we were going to get an ATF trip to Spain out of it. [01:20:59] Speaker B: Yeah, man. You know, I mean, UFC Spain's still probably going to happen soon. You know what I mean? [01:21:04] Speaker A: And I think Joel Alvarez will be on that card. And I. I do think that BSD is a great fight to put on that thing. [01:21:10] Speaker B: I mean, it's a good fight. It's a good fight, but this is the other thing. Is it, like, when these guys are making fake fight announcements up, it. It kind of jeopardizes fights in a way. [01:21:22] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:21:22] Speaker B: You know, and. And then if it does become right, I mean, there's one guy that will post multiple different. I think. I mean, I even think a fight. Have called him out recently about as well. They'll post multiple different fights. Suction sucks. Is fighting this. And then next week. No, it's such and such. Is fighting that. Suction sucks. So he's gonna get one right, maybe. Do you know what I mean? And he just deletes the rest that he got wrong. You know what I mean? [01:21:48] Speaker A: I mean, that's one way of doing it. Where's my notepad? I need to start taking notes on this. [01:21:55] Speaker B: No, man. No. Not the way to do it. [01:22:00] Speaker A: I'll do it. I'll do it slightly differently. I'll make up. I. I'll. I'll make a second account and I'll name it something, and then when it gets to like 5k followers, I'll then just, like delete everything and change it. [01:22:09] Speaker B: Oh, see? See? Some of them do that as well. Some of them do that as well. You know what I mean? [01:22:15] Speaker A: So, yeah, we'll see how that pans out. Yeah. Red Wolf, thanks for your time. I really enjoy doing these ones. That is a wrap on this week's episode. If you enjoyed it, share it with a mate. If you didn't, go and argue with me on Twitter because at the end of the day, engagement is engagement and I need them followers. [01:22:39] Speaker B: Same here, man. Come on, let's, you know, let's have it. [01:22:43] Speaker A: I mean. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, let's go. Swing it. Especially after Jon Jones said he had big fight announcement and it was so those. [01:22:53] Speaker B: He tried. Everyone. Everyone with a. Know what I mean? [01:22:57] Speaker A: I hope, I hope. I think it might have been some sort of charity, but if it was a sponsorship deal, I hope you got. [01:23:04] Speaker B: Apparently it's something to do with like, American health insurance and stuff like that. And fair play. I'm sure it's a very good cause. But he knows what he did. He knows what he. You know what I mean? [01:23:18] Speaker A: Yeah, There was a lot of hype behind that, and I'm fuming. We'll see you in the next one. Our socials are below. ATF socials are below. Like I said, if you can. Also another thing. If you are still here, you're diead fan. [01:23:36] Speaker B: Yeah. You are a legend. If you're still here now. [01:23:38] Speaker A: Yeah, we want to try and get the podcast itself moving up the rankings on, like, whatever platform. If you've listened to enough of these, you can leave us. You can leave a review. Leave a review. Give it a rating and. Yeah, thank you very much appreciate the time. [01:23:53] Speaker B: Appreciate, guys. See you later. [01:23:55] Speaker A: Bye. [01:23:56] Speaker B: Bye. Bye for the next one.